Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

Alice has a long, long history of abusive, coercive and controlling behaviour. She treated him appallingly, from the very start of their relationship. Which began when she was with somebody else, but that hypocrisy obviously doesn't count.

She is estranged from her own family due to her own behaviour, and she is now exacting a fantastically successful campaign of parental alienation. She is an unhinged, nasty piece of work. You don't get given permanent domestic violence restraining orders (which she recently violated and got away with) for no reason.

Ioan left - as he is entitled to do - after years of trying to make it work with an abusive narcissist. He doesn't deserve to lose his daughters because of this.

I agree about the pap walks though - grim.

He also doesn’t get to trample all over his daughter’s boundaries. She’s told him she doesn’t want a relationship with his girlfriend and he’s tried to force it. Now he’s discovered that kids her age vote with their feet, and court orders apparently.

I just feel sorry for the kids. Neither parent is putting them first.

Women posting on here are always told not to move their partners into their home and put their children first - their dad has moved the girlfriend in and forced her on the poor children that made their wishes against meeting her clear. At 13 whether he likes it or not their wishes should be taken into account - they are by courts when deciding CAO etc. He should have known better considering how acrimonious this whole thing has been.

Kids are behaving like selfish toddlers because thats how their parents behave.

He is trying to rush things along so that he can present himself as the parent who is in a stable relationship with a better role model. It was too much too soon and has now backfired. You cannot blame Alice for reacting to the story and the bruises.

Alice is clearly unhinged & seems to have passed on her toxicity to her daughter. It’s very sad.

Perhaps, but we are past the blame game. As things stand, would two completely detached family units work better than this current arrangement? It seems like it.

Even if Alice were "nuts", her situation probably drove her "nuts". I feel for her a lot. She's only spoken up about her own situation and slagged her ex off for flaunting his new girlfriend and lying to her, which is fair enough isn't it?

He hardly suffered from her rants.

I would behave the same as her if I had been deeply hurt by a man. It's not advisable at all but it can send you potty being hurt like that.

Alice has a DVRO against her, she was abusing her ex and his girlfriend on social media and through emails/texts. When I read about the daughter seeking a RO against her dad & gf I felt sad. Potential parental alienation going on.

I do think it’s bizarre some people are saying he shouldn’t have rushed in with his gf, it’s been a couple of years now hasn’t it? You can’t let your children dictate whether you have a relationship with another partner or not.

He has asked for 50/50, so I suppose he has to demonstrate to the court that he is in a position to have the girls 50% of the time. The court hearing is soon, I believe.

The reality is he is currently in no position to have the girls 50% of the time.

Whilst they don't want to spend time with Bianca, they clearly do want to see him. And seem to have been progressing to overnight contact - which is a huge step for them. I wonder if he regrets moving so quickly with Bianca? I still can’t wrap my head around the fact he moved Bianca into his home without her having even met his children.

He has put himself in a position where he has to decide if he wants to have his girls 50/50, or if he wants to live with Bianca. It’s hard to feel sympathy for him in this situation as it was completely avoidable.

But his kids aren’t dictating whether he has a new relationship or not.

They want to see him on his own. They just want to spend time with their dad and only their dad. Which is fair enough, considering they barely see him and Bianca is with him every day.

I think the choice has now gone regarding his older child as she has just asked for a 5 year restraining order (although whether she has done that voluntarily or been coerced into it is another matter)

Poor kids , turfed out of their home and their private school because dad is skint and can’t afford it anymore, all the while flying all over the world with his girlfriend, no wonder they don’t want to have a relationship with him

He has to take some of the blame and respect that they may be more loyal towards their mother who has always been there with them. Bianca is probably not maternal either and has various health issues of her own to contend with. She is actively looked after by IG so in a way, the care he devotes to his daughters would take away from the care which he gives her. She is also quite young so there isn't really a basis for a good relationship between a girlfriend who had an affair with her dad and a teenager who is resentful about losing her home because of her dad's choices

I think both parents have behaved appallingly and the kids are unfortunately now feeling the effects of it.

^ This. In the court application – which is a public record, to all those citing privacy infringement – the DD13 says she told her dad she didn't want to meet B, but he forced the issue during an overnight stay knowing full well she couldn't call her mum to collect her because A isn't allowed near him. That's shitty behaviour from him and the fact B caught her in the door and bruised her would've made me go to the police as well. Plus the nanny and friend's dad who picked them up are corroborating her story and are prepared to appear in court.

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I think mum and dad are both as bad as one another and they need to sort this out privately. Alice keep going public with stuff just makes her look bad, children involved too is not right.

I think that Ella is old enough to decide. They should let her have her moody teenage years with the living/contact arrangements which please her. The situation isn't going to magically resolve itself through a heart-to-heart. She is probably hopping mad about Bianca being the catalyst and the fact that IG gives her most of the attention in his life.

These two idiots remind me of my own parents. Both narcissists, both shouldn't have had children in the first place because they were never able to put myself and my two brothers first. Their selfishness when we were children permanently damaged both our physical and mental health...neither myself or my two brothers have gone on to have any children of our own.

My father left for another woman when I was 21 - he waited until my younger brother turned 18 to leave. My mother did what Alice appears to be doing...demanded myself and my brothers cut all contact with my father and bad mouthed him to us at every opportunity...that was 34 years ago and she still does. I'm now very low contact with her and am no contact with my father. Alice should be very careful, what she is doing with her girls could very well come back to bite her on the bum.

It's telling that she when she was upset and in crisis she called her nanny.

Poor kid doesn't have anyone in her family looking out for her.

Exactly this. Alice has behaved poorly but so has he. He didn't see the kids for a year during Covid. A YEAR. He swanned all over the world on luxury holidays with his 20-years-younger girlfriend instead.

I'm an adult and I wouldn't want anything to do with his mid-life crisis side piece. Why should a 13-year-old devastated by the wreckage he's caused be expected to?

Did you never see the agression personally posted by Alice?

I'm an adult and I wouldn't want anything to do with his mid-life crisis side piece

this phrase reveals a bias. There is nothing to suggest this relationship started before their relationship ended. As such she was never his “side piece” which is a horrific term in itself.

as for what actually happened that night that’s caused his daughter to behave like this and want a restraining order.,we will need to wait and see.

there is still an accusation of parental alienation on the table,and it’s very clear the children are understandably struggling hard. The fact they called the nanny says this isn’t about her not wanting anything to do with his partner, more a much bigger and more complex issue

however I do not believe than he should have had his girls in his home when bianca was there until they were ready , he should have found another way.

I have a few friends who’ve made some really bad choices about what they put up on social media after their dh’s have flounced off with younger women. The difference obv being theirs weren’t picked up by mainstream media and most who saw them just shrugged thinking “yep, they’re angry but suppose they have reason to be”. She gave up her career to look after their kids while he travelled the world improving his and he’s left her high & dry. His restraining order against her is to stop her posting social media. She hasn’t helped herself at all but he’s properly done the dirty. As for him, why on earth when things are already so evidently fractious is he insisting they should spend time with his girlfriend?! And why did she get involved in the altercation? She should have stood back and let him parent….. though maybe he thinks that’s all about him too, not actually the children. As posters above say none of us really know what’s gone on but he certainly isn’t the Prince he’s trying to come off as.

Ah yes, and what we do know as fact is the kids have lost the family they knew, their home, their school…. And he plays the I’m so poor card - he earns a bloody fortune and is so angry with his children’s mother he’s punishing them. Not nice.