Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

[HelenaBellena]

Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

By that logic she didn't sacrifice her career to have children, as she only had children when her career would already have been declining. And they had nannies so she could have worked.

a very modest house that only costs around $2M

😂🤣

I felt uncomfortable about the personal info Alice was sharing on SM YEARS ago. Private photos of her husband, admitting he didn't want them shared publicly but she was doing it anyway. If he was a woman, there would have been an outcry- he was visibly uncomfortable in some of the videos she was sharing.
She has gone on and on about the children since the separation, awarding them no privacy, and feeding them a line that their father has rejected them. No. He left their mother, and wanted to maintain and in fact nurture a better relationship with his daughters.

Those poor girls.

Where did all their money go? They must have made some.

He's been the star of TV shows, in blockbuster movies, working since he was a child... how had he not paid off a $2m house? And now not have a penny to his name or any assets to speak of?

It's all a bit dodgy IMO.

I feel so sorry for the children in this.

I saw a lot of the early reporting and the mother does seem to have lost control. He has a restraining order on her and they don't just give them away.

Maybe the marriage was already over, he says it was - she doesn't seem to have been very supportive of him.

Mother is still lashing out and thinking only of herself.

he shouldn't have forced a meeting with his new partner, though.

You've obviously not looked at any of the background .
Could just as easily say
'Omg all the men hating, woman are right no matter what' posters on the thread!

Those poor girls - neither of their parents seems to be doing a stellar job. I get that there's acrimony between the parents, but why can neither of them put their DC first in all this?! It's shit.

Maybe she would have liked some time with just her dad?

That doesn't excuse the above but time & again parents seem to feel that as they want to be with someone so will their kids!

They have a mother posting all over SM.

Where's the thought for the kids from either of them?

By your logic, if a woman left an abusive husband, after falling in love with another man and deciding to escape the marriage, then we should see her as being “in the wrong”.

I don’t know exactly what happened in this marriage, none of us do.

But we do now that they were married, that the marriage ended and she didn’t want it to, that he got straight into a relationship with someone else (or there was an overlap) and that she has been so angry ever since that he had to have a restraining order taken out because she will not leave him alone and cannot accept the fact that he had a right to end his relationship with her.

Neither parent is conducting themselves with dignity. Poor kids. What an emotional battlefield to be living in during your vulnerable teenage years.

Then she didn't sacrifice her career, did she? On that basis she wouldn't have had one whether she'd had children or not.

a very modest house that only costs around $2M
they live in La Jolla which is an expansive area , at $2M your choices are very limited specially for a family of 4.

I think he's handled leaving the marriage very badly.

I think she was understandably wounded and raw when he left. But is now so bitter that it's more important to 'win' at any cost and to hell with the collateral damage.

I feel sorry for the children. Growing up with a mother who won't stop publicly sharing every cough and sniff of this drama, and a father who is determined to try and play happy families with his new GF. The girls have been badly let down by both of their parents, because neither of them are putting their children first.

You can't compare your situation to anyone else's. Suppose you had been behaving pretty appallingly, and suppose your daughters could see for themselves that your behaviour had effectively pushed their dad away, would they necessarily hate him?

That was my point…

I think we all colour what we read from our own experiences.

I see a man who left the child-rearing to his wife, then decided that she wasn't interesting enough any more, ran off with an younger woman, and then was shocked that the kids weren't particularly interested in him, and his ex wife was feeling betrayed and angry (her mistake being not reading mumsnet and thus knowing that grey rock is the only way to deal with it)

I think people in more 'normal' relationships don't realise that there really are men who are so self-centred that they abdicate all responsibility for their children, to the extend that the children just aren't interested in them, and funnily enough, those children get a bit angry when dad suddenly tries to play happy families after years of not bothering.

This just gets worse and worse.

Why on earth did he think this was a good idea. The children have been very clear that they want a relationship with him, but not with his girlfriend. He has no respect for their feelings at all.

And why was Bianca trying to prevent a teenager that she has never met before in her life, from leaving an upsetting situation. It is not her place, she has massively overstepped. Bianca should have removed herself from the situation the moment things went south and left Ioan to deal with his own children. It appears she has tried to close a door and caught Ella in it - which is fucking awful, actually.

I don’t understand why Ioan isn’t content to simply have a relationship with his daughters for the moment. They have been clear - they don’t want to see his girlfriend.

I think another poster is right - Ioan and Alice are just different kinds of narcissists. Those poor girls.

The whole family is entitled to their privacy and it doesn't help that ghouls come on here to post about it.

Shame on OP for posting this thread, and shame on those who have posted showing an interest in what is going on.

Like you? If it wasn't for Alice's batshittery and malevolent campaign, none of this would be public knowledge.

If they wanted privacy, they could easily have it. They are what, D list actors, at best.

Both sides have engaged in uncecessary social media posts, arranged pap shoots, unsealed court documents etc. If they hadn’t done so, no one would have known anything, or dare I say, even cared.

Why do I think of Laurence Fox when I read this?
Emma Watson is on the fringe of my thinking as well.
These are not positive links!

It doesn't matter which parent caused it. Right now, we are at this stage where the girl is distressed enough to throw food around the room and milk over the sofa like a toddler. She is distressed. Either he goes back to having overnights where his girlfriend is not present (not ever) or he loses the relationship (for a few years, probably not forever).

I actually started this thread as it dawned on me that perhaps the media was making Alice look a lot worse than she is. The stories in the papers are all anti her. She must have been devastated at the time and he's doing himself no favours by his pap walks.

Agree. “Ghouls”
is a good way of putting it.

@cormorant5 well I think Billies complete silence says it all plus I've read he's hugely controlling