Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

You are not coming over very well here. This looks like bullying.

I really don’t care how you think I’m coming across.

I don’t believe that poster is posting in good faith at all.

And I’m not going to tolerate being labelled a child abuse apologist because I called out a lie.

Thank you so much, I appreciate this

I’ve been a member of Mumsnet for years. And Merlin69 has popped up to post solely on Alice Evans threads, being goady and calling people that don’t agree with her “child abuse apologists”.

I’ll leave it to MNHQ to check whether they are a genuine poster or not.

Ella either lied in her declaration, or Alice lied to her about the overnights. I am completely supportive of the children and despair at the position that they find themselves in.

But Ioan deserves to be able to defend himself if untrue things are being stated about him.

i knew Alice years ago, pre fame.
She was nuts then, egotistical and controlling. I don’t doubt anything he’s saying about her frankly.

I don't know who said this, but the 'venting' on social media was awful, and doing damage to everyone, including Alice herself. It needed to be stopped.

The things about this case that struck me were IG going to Australia for work for an entire year. It's not like he's a desperate man on the street, I'm sure there would have been work nearer.

Secondly he's asking for full custody isn't he? I do think AE is nuts in all this. If I were IG, I'd leave her and the kids to it. They clearly want to be with her.

Secondly he's asking for full custody isn't he?

No, he’s asking for 50/50.

Alice put these photos on her Instagram yesterday.

That was her choice and I think that choice speaks volumes.

Just checked her Instagram. OMG. This is so fucked up. All of it.

Also, are these pap photos?

That's really inappropriate. They should be entitled to privacy.

I suspect they will look back, as adults, and wonder why she behaved like this.

They look like set up pap photos @Vivi0 - note the way her face is angled towards the camera in the second one, to really set the scene and make the emotion visible… so unfair on the child.

Poor girls 😥 I hope someone helps them soon

To set a few things straight;

I did not call anyone a ‘child abuse apologist’ because they called out another poster as telling a lie, I called them a ‘child abuse apologist’ because multiple times they minimised Alice’s taunting of her own child as just an ‘argument’.
Alice Evans cruelly taunted and mocked her own child (as well as her ex husband) by telling her she will be getting a new daddy whether she wants one or not, the child was clearly distressed and yet Alice continued just so she could score a point against Ioan. This is emotional abuse and anyone minimising that as just an ‘argument’ is defending the emotional abuse of a child. People who’ve read the court documents will already be familiar with this incident but for anyone who hasn’t, please see exhibit I from the court papers, pages 22/23 which is a recording from Alice’s own child that she sent to Ioan.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KQTJR10FHv28BoBKqyU7N4RkFP2F7c9e/view

Any mum who reads that and doesn’t feel their heart breaking for that poor little girl (but instead claims it wasn’t abuse of that child or it was just an ‘argument’), well shame on you. That tells me enough to know I can’t engage directly with you further because if you can minimise abuse like that, I have zero interest in what you think is right or wrong in this situation.

Finally, as mumsnetters we can choose to be on as many or as few threads as we want and we don’t have to justify that choice to anyone. ANYONE who is trying to pull the ‘do you know who I am’ because they are on multiple threads or have been a member longer than we have insinuating that this gives them or their opinions some type of superiority, sorry Karen, it really doesn’t.

He’s actually said he finds it hard to get work. Something which he’s said these days is something he believes is partly due to Alice’s hate campaign.

id imagine if you are struggling for work then a year long contract of regular work is hard to turn down. But yes, actions have consequences and it won’t have helped his relationship with his daughters. But he’s not exactly fighting work offers off with a stick I guess. I don’t think I’ve seen him in anything since Hornblower so he’s not exactly an A or even B list actor 🤷‍♀️. I’ve just looked at his imdb and everything he’s done since 2014 I haven’t heard of. I accept that could be me but I watch a fair amount of tv.

You're conflating two separate events. No-one said she was gaslit about the overnight visit, but in relation to what AE said that about the fact that she felt there was something wrong for a long time in the last year of the marriage, and he kept telling her that it was just her imagination (or some such, that there was nothing wrong). THAT is gaslighting.

The visit is another matter. What was sprung on the kids seems to have been the presence of both BW AND the counsellor and the way that they approached the kids, so the visit wasn't just a visit with their father but what sounds like a therapy session. BW approached them to get them to ask her any questions they had etc. That would be a good gesture in other circumstances, but probably should have come at the request of the girls. You build up to those things. So, in that sense (from the scant information I have) that seems to have been sprung on the girls. Many of us would have been miffed by that.

I am only replying because I really hate people giving me wrong information. It is so easy to get caught up in the tabloidisation of events, but I try to make sense of things for myself - very difficult these days where there is so much false information and pile-ons occur just for the fun of it.

You're conflating two separate events. No-one said she was gaslit about the overnight visit, but in relation to what AE said that about the fact that she felt there was something wrong for a long time in the last year of the marriage, and he kept telling her that it was just her imagination (or some such, that there was nothing wrong). THAT is gaslighting.

No, that's the behaviour of someone in an abusive marriage* *

You should report the post where you are called a child abuse apologist to MHNQ. That is a serious personal attack.

You don't know that for certain. Even in his court filings Gruffudd says "I believe...blah blah blah" He is careful not to make statements of fact, but that it is his feeling or belief that such occurred. But you are sure about these things. How come?

I did not call anyone a ‘child abuse apologist’ because they called out another poster as telling a lie, I called them a ‘child abuse apologist’ because multiple times they minimised Alice’s taunting of her own child as just an ‘argument’.

@Merlin69 It doesn't matter WHY you said it the fact is that you said it. Just as it doesn't matter that AE posted so many horrible tweets etc because she was in extreme pain. The fact is she did it hence the granting of the RO.

He states in his court documents that she has abused him and belittled him for years, including in front of the children. People trying to leave an abusive marriage often placate the abusive partner.

It's all there to see, if you chose not to believe court documents that's your choice of course.

Alice has had many chances to submit her own declarations but chooses not to. She prefers to rant on twitter about being gagged and silenced.

LOL is Merlin for real?! I've reported you for answering me on a public forum...?! Jeez, go have a lie down in a dark room.

OK, I apologise here because I agree with you that Alice is absolutely abusing her children but putting them in the middle of this and using them as weapons. Who sets their kid a papshot up to show them crying? Disgraceful.

What a mess, poor kids. If I were a judge I'd order the house be sold, two smaller properties 1k apart be purchased, equal in size & value. The children split their time with a schedule between the two properties. No court cases, no social media, no communication, just parenting half the week in their new homes of equal size and value. Children able to walk 1k if they feel the need. OMG the drama. My own kids have not suffered this much and their father was extremely abusive and manipulative. Luckily, relative ''poverty'' although we always had enough was the worst they went through. Feel sorry for these girls, their mother is mad, and their father, well, if he can't make it as an actor in LA, maybe it's time to just pour his heart in to being a father half the week. They have enough