Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

[HelenaBellena]

Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

Where’s the like button?

This.

I’m not the other poster (I have earlier posts on this thread from days ago).
Why would any rational person have more than a singular MN profile? Is this projection, do you have more than one MN profile? That’s messed up if you do, it’s troll like behaviour.

You’re cherry picking with your example here because you’ve chosen probably the only example where someone wasn’t able to come back to you with proof from the court documents. You’re trying to mislead readers by deliberately avoiding mentioning all the other examples of when you’ve asked other posters to prove it and they have, that’s quite manipulative of you to do that.

For example, your responses to Shiharoku was why I questioned your claim of having read the court documents in the first place. Shiharoku mentioned Alice talking about getting a new boyfriend before Ioan had even left her and you asked if Shiharoku was referring to ‘the drunken argument Alice was having with herself’. Now if you’d read the court papers you would know Alice certainly wasn’t having the conversation with herself, she was in fact having a conversation with Ioan which was not only witnessed by her daughter, it was recorded by her daughter too. If you had read the court documents you would know that so why didn’t you?

I can’t figure out if;

1. you’re telling lies about having read the court documents (in which case you’re running your ill informed mouth off about a situation despite being ignorant of the history) or
2. You’re trying to minimise Alice’s vile behaviour. Saying what she did and telling her child she would be getting her a new Daddy is emotionally abusing her child and you tried to mimimise it as just a drunken argument Alice had with herself. It takes a certain type of person to belittle the magnitude of Alice abusing her daughter in this one specific example alone.

So which applies to you Vivio, are you 1. (deceitful and untrustworthy) or 2. An abuse apologist (specifically an Alice abuse apologist)?

He may well have ruined her life, for now. But a good mother and decent human being would do everything in her power to protect her children from the fallout. None of this is their fault and it should be her only concern that they aren't damaged by it and that they keep a happy and loving relationship with both parents.

From what I have seen - she is a dreadful, toxic person and she has done possibly irreparable damage to her children. It's Hollywood, ffs. Most marriages don't last. Why should her children have to suffer and be affected by it? She is putting herself first, which is unforgivable.

One of my best friend's marriages broke up. She went through a phase where she wanted her husband to die and loathed his new partner. At NO stage did she involve her daughter, nor disparage her husband in front of her, nor anywhere where her daughter might find out. THIS is what a good parent does.

You actually minimised a mother abusing her child by calling it just a ‘drunken argument’ and yet here you are referring to my being serious about that as ‘terrifying’.

The real terrifying thing about this exchange is for someone to defend or minimise Alice’s abuse and behaviour, that person has to be like Alice themselves, now that’s chilling given what she’s capable of.

Good night Vivio, I have no desire to engage further with someone will in any way try to justify abuse against a child.

I don’t know why you’re calling a stranger ‘sweetie’.

I’ve already told you that I don’t want to engage with you because you’ve minimised child abuse.

I’m asking you politely now not to refer to me or quote me again. Please take notice as you’re really making me feel uneasy now, I can’t be involved with someone that stands for what you do. Thank you.

Well said!

Well said.

It’s a fair point, they are lengthy documents.

It’s an individual choice if people are interested enough (or have the time) to read them and I understand why some can’t/won’t.

It’s the dishonest people who irritate me, the ones who claim they’ve read it all yet but then go on to say Ioan or Alice never did x, y, z etc. When people provide evidence to challenge their assumptions they still double down. At this point I wonder if they’d rather look foolish than admit they got it wrong.

I agree about the suicide stuff, I believe this was twitter that led people to assume Alice was threatening suicide if she lost custody and it is important to be accurate about that.

I dislike the narrative of other posters that if Alice didn’t specifically say ‘I’m going to kill myself’ that it isn’t what she meant. The world doesn’t work like that where the meaning can only be read from the literal words. Alice implied suicide often and I believe that’s exactly what she wanted people to think but it’s main purpose was to emotionally blackmail Ioan and her children (since she’s said several times that her girls see her social media).

I don’t think so.

I challenged a poster who said:

“Alice has told the girls repeatedly that she will kill herself if they leave her…it has been documented by those who were there / heard it. And as stated by the girls”

You even admit yourself that that is not accurate because you now suggest that Alice implied (not stated) that if she lost custody of the girls, she would kill herself and as the girls read her social media they would have come to the same conclusion.

But that’s not the same as her telling her children repeatedly that she will kill herself if they leave her. And it certainly wasn’t documented by the people who were there and heard it, since nothing was said by her to hear.

I dislike the narrative of other posters that if Alice didn’t specifically say ‘I’m going to kill myself’ that it isn’t what she meant.

I’m not pushing a narrative. A poster said that she actually said that to her kids, which she didn’t.

Alice may be many things, but let’s not lie about things she has not done in order to demonise her further.

And whilst arguing in front of children isn’t ideal, it’s not exactly child abuse either.

You called me a child abuse apologist for challenging a blatant lie, and for calling an argument exactly what it was - an argument.

Your viewpoint is exactly that, your viewpoint. It doesn’t make you right, nor does it make others child abuse apologists.

Hang on a minute. Documented where? I followed many of her tweets but she said this stuff AFTER he walked out, not before. The only documentation I’ve seen of their relationship before the breakup is of his press interviews where he gushed about what an amazing woman, wife and mother she was. Are you telling me that she was waiting in the wings brandishing a cricket bat while he gave those interviews?

PS if BW had come into a room and told me I could ask her questions I think that I too would have lost the plot. Kids are good bullshit detectors and that approach sounds like total bullshit to me and is all about BW not the kids.

@BriarHare how do you know your friend’s children weren’t affected by the breakup? How do you know that they didn’t hear their mum crying at night or notice that she was depressed? Or hear her venting to a friend - all normal consequences of a breakup.

Hang on a minute. Documented where?

@Fisharejumping My thoughts, exactly.

We have got to the point where posters are describing outrageous behaviour by Alice and saying that it is “well documented”. But the truth is, it’s not well documented. It’s not even documented.

I caught a poster out in a lie saying that Alice has repeatedly told the girls that if they leave her she will kill herself. It just never happened. And actually, it was just inferred that she said that from some tweets she made:

I also challenged, like you, this poster on:

“Alice was threatening Ioan with getting new boyfriends and divorce and whatnot months before he even brought up divorcing her”

And when you actually look at what they’re inferring this from, it’s not too dissimilar to the lie that Alice repeatedly told the girls that if they leave her she will kill herself.

They are taking 2 + 2 and coming up with 5. They are far too invested in Ioan Gruffud’s divorce and making “assumptions” that are pure fantasy.

Yet again I am having to ask you not to engage with me further and I’ve previously been clear why and how uneasy you make me feel. I specifically said I don’t want to talk to you after you keep minimising Alice mentally abusing her child. This child abuse and your stance on it is totally unacceptable to me in every way.

Despite my request, you continue to disregard my boundaries that I’ve asked you to respect. Even Mumsnet choosing to remove some of your posts because of how you’ve spoken to me has failed to make you realise you have and continue to completely overstep the mark. When people like myself ask you to leave them alone, please respect that person’s choice Instead of treating them like you get to decide what is acceptable to them or not.

Merlin, serious question. If you don’t want me to engage with you, why are you still referring to me in your posts?

I haven’t minimised any kind of child abuse. This is pure gaslighting on your part, it’s not okay and even though you have asked me to not engage with you, there is zero chance I’m going to allow you to continually accuse me of being a child abuse apologist, without responding. It’s not going to happen.

At the end of the day @Merlin69 , you and other posters have been caught lying. Saying outrageous things about Alice Evans that are apparently “well documented”, but are not documented at all.

I’ve not even supported Alice on this thread, but I’m not okay with people outright lying about things she has not done.

Nor am I prepared to be called a child abuse apologist for calling out the lies that are being peddled here.

She has been deceived, gaslit, insulted, publicly humiliated, she found out that her entire life was a lie and her heart has been broken, she’s been kicked out of her home, she’s become a single mother. Ioan has stopped her even venting on social media

This bit made me laugh, I think we are being trolled. Don't engage folks 😄

Since I have asked you to not quote me or try to engage with me, the only posts quoting you are the ones where I am repeatedly asking you to leave me alone. You will not see me referencing your username or quoting you for any other reason than that. You even agreed yourself you wouldn’t try to engage with me again but you then have.

I have now reported you for your continued disregard of my request that you do not quote me or try to engage with me.

Once again I plead with you to just stop trying to engage with me.

No means No Vivio.

I feel there is trolling on both sides, to be honest.

you keep minimising Alice mentally abusing her child. This child abuse and your stance on it is totally unacceptable to me in every way.

I have no desire to engage further with someone will in any way try to justify abuse against a child.

you’ve minimised child abuse

Please take notice as you’re really making me feel uneasy now, I can’t be involved with someone that stands for what you do

I have read on here several times that the visit where all the drama took place was sprung on the children.

Alice requested an overnight stay for the children, (it's in the documents) she knew Bianca lived there.

But no!! she's been blindsided and gaslit again by evil Ioan and his scheming girlfriend of several years. Absolutely laughable.

But no!! she's been blindsided and gaslit again by evil Ioan and his scheming girlfriend of several years. Absolutely laughable.

Wait a second. Are you talking about Alice or Ioan’s 13 year old daughter?

Because Alice hasn’t said she’s been “blindsided and gaslit” by Ioan and Bianca over this.

If you’re talking about Ella, I don’t think it’s an appropriate way to talk about a 13 year old child.