Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

[HelenaBellena]

Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

I really do think that people defending AE's behaviour can't possibly have read all the documents available.

She has been so incredibly abusive and manipulative that it makes for shocking reading, like the transcript of the recording PP just shared. It's frightening to imagine the damage that being in her care, while she's been in this state of mind, must has caused the children.

For people to read such transcripts and the text messages and not believe her to be abusive is baffling.

A lot of people support abusive women. Look how many on here even don't have an issue with her extremely well documented behaviour and are nasty about Ioan, calling him the abuser and making her the victim - despite the fact that she has had equal opportunity to submit any evidence she has of his actions in court documents as well. She just posts hate towards him on social media.

I'd never read any of the court papers and said I wasn't on either side when I first started reading this thread (excluding any physical violence which I didn't disbelieve but I hadn't seen the court papers). I think some of the vitriol about Alice, and even her physical appearance, put me off initially. I'm now in agreement that Ioan sounds like he ought to be the main carer. He sounds far more stable.

Along with everything else Alice describes herself as 50% bed bound. There's no nanny to help now as far as I'm aware.

I also realise that some of those angry emails were addressed to Iowan's mother.

I think she sounds extremely angry in some of the evidence and possibly even emotionally abusive attempting to embarrass him publicly because she knows, and describes him as, publicity shy (I think).

I'll have a look at Tattle.

Autocorrect that should have been Ioan

The court documents and transcripts are appalling. There is a lot of work needed for those poor girls to heal from their mother’s abuse. And yes, it is abuse.

The most recent posts on this thread demonstrate exactly why Ioan shouldn’t be living with Bianca.

It couldn’t be more clear that his daughters need him. If the children are removed from their mother’s care, how on earth can they live with Ioan and Bianca? Bianca needs to be introduced slowly to the girls, but just now, they need their dad.

The girls are not going to go live at Ioan's. Alice has told the girls repeatedly that she will kill herself if they leave her.

How do you know that? Where you there?

That poor girl is already so damaged.

It's hard to see how there could be any happy ending for this family.

It has been documented by those who were there / heard it. And as stated by the girls.

Where has this been documented?

You’re so quick to shout about “evidence” and the “court documents”, so show me where Alice told her daughters that she would kill herself if they left her.

Personally, I think you are so invested in this “drama” that you’re now at the point of making up scenarios in your own head, which are not based in reality, but are pure fantasy.

Can you please show me where it is documented?

No, I am not engaging with you further. I do not support those who defend abusers and abusive behaviour, which you have done repeatedly. If you wish to actually know the facts, you can read the documents yourself.

You see, I’ve read the documents and I haven’t seen anything like that in them.

So, I can safely assume that you’ve just made that up.

Which I’m not surprised about, actually, because a few pages back you had a post deleted because you accused me of being Alice or one of her friends and said that I, personally, was causing her daughters pain.

So, I take what you say with a pinch of salt, and so should other people on this thread.

Also, I’ve never defended Alice, actually. Or her abuse. So, just another example of something else that is sheer fantasy in your head.

I’m sorry to harp on about it, but it is absolutely deranged to say “Alice has told the girls repeatedly that she will kill herself if they leave her” when it is a blatant lie.

Alice has done plenty for people to critise her over, but I’m not okay with outright lies being told to further demonise someone.

I’ve reported your post, by the way. Hopefully it’ll be deleted because it is an absolutely disgusting thing to make up about someone.

If free fall could tell us where it was documented? It's possible she has seen it in other discussion and is mistaken.

I haven't seen anything like it but I skimmed over some the documents as they're so long.

No, I have the documentation open in front of me with quotes however given how vile Vivio has been throughout this discussion and the completely unsubstantiated claims she makes about Ioan / Bianca and her anger when anything critical is said about Alice - when I am one of the only ones actually posting documentated facts, I am out. If you read back through my posts, I back up what I say with documentation. I don't really read anything other than the court documentation so I don't have anything else to go on.

She probably read it over on Tattle, which is page after page of sheer fantasy, the most recent being that Ioan’s 13 year old daughter has inherited mental illness from Alice’s maternal side of the family (apparently Alice’s paternal family are just dandy). They are picking apart the 13 year old’s looks, saying she looks mentally ill.

They also managed to twist Ioan’s 13 year old daughter pushing Bianca’s dog away with her foot (after she said she didn’t want to interact with or speak to Bianca and Bianca was trying to force the dog upon her) as her aggressively kicking the dog and making reference to psychopaths having a history of animal torture in their childhood.

They’re just lovely, lovely people.

Also US courts tend to be zero sum with a winner and a loser. A parent is rewarded with custody not if they can demonstrate it’s in the best interests of the child but if they can prove the other parent is bad. They both thought each other brilliant parents for a decade but you won’t ever hear that in court documents. Ioan especially seems to be using the courts to control his ex, which is destructive in the long run. He’s made a lot of mistakes and will just make the girls resent him more. His behaviour is completely alienating his children. He seems to think he can force Alice to stop being angry with him and force the girls to embrace Bianca via court order. Both of them need to find a more constructive way forward even if that’s not what the courts reward.

What unsubstantiated claims have I made about Ioan and Bianca?

I was only critical of that one thing said about Alice - that she told her daughters that if they left her she would kil herself - but never have I ever defended her on anything else.

I mean, this thread is open for all to see. You are just posting absolute fantasy about me. With a side of projection.

You are out because you’ve been caught out making up lies. That’s all. You’re not going to post the documentation, not because of me or how “vile” I’ve been, but because it doesn’t exist.

I agree.

Another poster said:

He seems to think that all the women apart from Bianca (but I'm sure her turn will come) need therapy and we all lap it up without thinking about why they are reacting in such a hyper-crazy way.

From his most recent court filing, it’s blindingly obvious that he cannot see how his own behaviour might be contributing to the situation with his girls.

Maybe, as well as therapy, it might benefit Ella for Ioan to actually listen to her, apologise for any pain he has caused her and try to reconnect with her on her terms i.e. not meeting Bianca just now, him not speaking about Bianca to her on contact sessions. Perhaps he should reflect on how his actions have made Ella feel and actually acknowledge and validate her feelings.

I can tell you right now that alone would help her, greatly.

If he’s not capable of that, perhaps he’s the one that needs therapy.

He seems to think that all the women apart from Bianca (but I'm sure her turn will come) need therapy and we all lap it up without thinking about why they are reacting in such a hyper-crazy way.

Who are 'all the women'?

Other than the documented incidents between him and Alice and him and Ella, who are 'all the women' this is in reference to please?

I don't recall any examples of him having an issue with any other females at all so I'm unsure where this has come from and would be interested to know.

I don’t know, I lifted it from someone else’s post. The original poster would have to tell you.

It was the “need therapy” part of the post that struck a chord with me. I was uncomfortable with his recent court filing, the way he described Ella’s behaviour and the insinuation that he was making. I just think the girl is really fucking angry and perhaps an acknowledgement of that anger from him would be more beneficial than the “therapy” he seems to think will make everything okay.

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

Those poor bloody kids. The adults in this situation seriously need to get their shit together. I did have sympathy with AE having been left high & dry myself. The best thing I did for my kids was to get on with forging a new life. AE needs to do all she can to be well for her girls.

People who have affairs often think that they are betraying only one person, their spouse, when in fact from a child’s perspective it’s the family unit (and especially if it’s the mother being betrayed as babies start out their lives believing they are literally part of their mothers and childhood/adolescence is the slow process of separation). Ioan seems to believe he has done nothing to hurt them and they can only have gotten these ideas from their mother - in fact he HAS done something which has hurt them. Often the kind of excuses the unfaithful parent will make are things like “I still love you, I just don’t love mummy anymore” (and quite cruelly the mother is often expected to basically repeat that to the children). This is actually not comforting to the child AT ALL.

If Ioan was unhappy he should have ended the marriage then, and allowed the children to process it before even entertaining the idea of a new relationship. Instead, he’s either met someone ‘better’ and is retrospectively rewriting the past to make himself less accountable for breaking his promises OR he really was unhappy and basically always intended to do this and was stringing his family along, letting his children believe they were part of a secure family unit, and letting Alice keep the bed warm until he found someone new.

It’s messy, he’s put his children in a very uncomfortable position, and instead of trying to make things easier for THEM he’s aggressively using the courts and even leaving permanent, public records of their tantrums. If his daughter applies for college in 5 years, her bad behaviour as a young teen is now searchable in google, and ultimately he put it there to score a point against his ex.

@Vivi0 I can't tell you exactly where but besides Ioan stating in court documents Alice saying something to the effect to the kids are betraying her if they go to their father and that Ioan wants her to die* she repeatedly tweeted things like "the only reason why I still want to live are my kids" or "the kids are all I have" or "I am everything the kids have" and made Caroline Flack comparisons whenever she was writting that "Ioan wants to take my kids". She has also admitted that the eldest reads her twitter. It's pretty certain that she is in fact telling her kids such things or that they are aware of this being a scenario.

*of course what Ioan says is no proof, but I this thread has taken the childrens claim that the girlfriend's meeting was unexpected as a fact too, when Ioan's declaration clearly proves that it was pre-agreed and many months ago the kids apparently wanted to meet Bianca until suddenly they didnt want the next day, I think it's not hard to guess why.