Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

Yes, he did leave Alice, rather than them, but as consequence didn't have physical, in person, contact with the girls for over a year.

That was a mistake in my opinion.

I am not a lawyer and in any case American law is different to UK but I assume that hitting someone once is assault not DV? I think of DV as sustained control of various kinds. Perhaps a lawyer can help out?

I have no idea. I'm not a lawyer either.

Personally think it's unacceptable and DV.

It wasn't a personal choice on his part to not have in person contact. He kept trying to arrange it. There are many emails and messages about this. At one point she told him "If you try to steal Elsie from school on Monday there will be police and or security guards, all of whom know what to look for."

There were many threats sent to him about what false allegations would be posted about him etc. She also refused to bring them to the arranged contact points / times.

Maybe there was more he could have done or gone back to court sooner or maybe just picked them up and taken them physically and hoped to not be arrested for kidnapping or some other way but there is clear documentation of his ongoing efforts to see them in person and to arrange more contact.

Yes I've read his quasi explanations as to why he didn't have in person contact for so long.
There was also a missed opportunity or two, mentioned in this thread also.

But he thought she was capable of assault (he describes one occasion), he'd been the main person who had got up with the girls (while Alice lay in bed- he said she kept late hours or some such, which was the most troubling thing for me) and made their packed lunches and breakfasts. If he'd thought them at risk he should have made arrangements, based on this (as a woman would do leaving a situation of domestic violence) to have them full time himself, but he did not.

I don't understand it really

He can't just make arrangements to leave with the kids. Men don't get to just walk away with the kids, even from abusive relationships. Gloria was there with the kids a great deal and he was relying on that as a buffer. Even with all the evidence he has now brought to court, he is still fighting to get custody of them. Like I said, maybe there was more he could have done before they turned on him but he did have regular in person contact for a few months after leaving until the parental alientation and threats started. Maybe he could have just left with them and tried for full custody from day one. The threats and contact refusal and parental alientation ramped up significantly when Alice found out he was dating Bianca (which wasn't by IG). After that I don't think there was anything he could have done without additional court and police intervention.

From my own family experience, it took my brother multiple court cases, tens of thousands of dollars and ten years to get sole custody despite clear documented evidence that his ex wife was abusive and neglectful towards the kids themselves. This was a few years back now but the courts were extremely reluctant to take custody away from the mother regardless of what she was or wasn't doing. They gave her endless opportunities to get her act together and would recognize the smallest of efforts as a a reason to maintain custody even though it had no meaningful positive impact for the kids. The kids were very, very emotionally damaged from living with their mother and yet the court still gave her ongoing shared custody. No court decisions were made based on the best interest of the kids. I know that fathers who have been abusive have also been given custodial time but it seems much harder for a father to get sole custody when the mother is abusive.

He can't just make arrangements to leave with the kids. Men don't get to just walk away with the kids, even from abusive relationships. Gloria was there with the kids a great deal and he was relying on that as a buffer.

I think he could if he'd believed them to be risk of violence or neglect. They do occasionally, especially if the partner is physically abusive as he said Alice was.
It's problematic that it didn't seem to be a priority.

He encouraged the nanny to stay overnight. That's no substitute if he believes Alice capable of assault, which she clearly was.

Of course she was going to be unreasonable and make it difficult for him to have contact once he had removed himself alone from the situation. Her behaviour was appalling; and the things she said in front of her daughters about IG (all while he was still living there) was completely inappropriate.

I appreciate the difficulties. I wonder if he wished he'd done things differently because it might still be some time until this is all resolved. He must have had some idea she would be so unreasonable re. access

I haven't read the recent court docs in response to IG's daughter's filing, but it seems weird that he uses the occasion to attack AE again, making everything her fault.

He seems to think that all the women apart from Bianca (but I'm sure her turn will come) need therapy and we all lap it up without thinking about why they are reacting in such a hyper-crazy way. He seems to have discovered that he can use the law as another means by which to prod and poke and abuse AE (and now Ella).

It's weird to witness how IG merely has to make a claim and everybody gets behind him and accepts that what he says is true. AE has herself to blame for this because of the way she reacted to his ending the marriage. As a result of her behaviour she is no longer a credible or reliable witness. It's a shame because it's given his narrative more traction and authenticity, although I personally don't buy it.

Does anyone have a link to the most recent court docs, please. I am very interested to look at them.

The GAL the court appointed is extremely experienced in complex custody cases and has a background in psychology and worked as a victim advocate before going into law. I think she will be an excellent neutral party to introduce to this and to figure out what is in the best interest of the girls. However I don't know that she can do that by July 13th - hopefully there isn't another continuance.

I agree @Fisharejumping - he seems the kind of person who is well capable of driving the other person to madness & then acting shocked, surprised & a victim when they do actually become crazy.

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From this thread

. I've just read the response by Bianca. I really don't think the girls were ready to meet her; one of the girls kept calling her a 'f*cking slut' and they both sounded out of control. I think they're badly in need of counselling.

It sounds like he tricked them into it before they were ready… patience would have been better (or even better, if he was unhappy as he claims breaking up the family unit and allowing time to heal FIRST before beginning a new relationship)

If you have seen what Alice has called her and told the girls about her, it makes more sense.

"But listen, you, instead of doing Ewan McGregor and meeting a really, really nice actress on a film and then deciding you’re in love with her, you picked up a meth‐head, bogan, skank munter, from the trailer parks of Broadbeach and now you are trying to pretend that is who you want to live with. That little fucking skank."

And Alice posted to her twitter "You know what really scares me? is my kids being forced to go to Bianca and her killing them. Its just dream. But it comes to me every single night."

She has tried to make Bianca out to be a monster who is a threat to them. It makes sense for the girls to meet her and get an opinion of her other than the one being given to them by their mother. It wasn't sprung on them either. They knew Bianca was going to be there based on the filings.

So it's possible they didn't realise how strongly and negatively the girls would react. I saw they had an independent person present advising them throughout.

The girls ran off into the neighbourhood at one point and had to be searched for. The language used by one of the girls would be a red flag for their home life, for me.

Based on Ioan's filings, he believes it was set up and pre planned. Alice had suggested the overnight which immediately put up red flags for him and is why he had hired the independent observer. He wanted to see the girls but was pretty sure this was a set up, why would she suddenly suggest an overnight after all the difficulties with access. So I think he was somewhat prepared but the lengths she went to caught him offguard. I think he was still shocked by the behaviour and efforts to get him in trouble. The girls were only at his apartment for 20 minutes before running out after throwing all the food. They had likely pre-arranged to be picked up by their friend's dad as the dad was already there to get them when Ioan caught up to them. I am sure there will be mental health evaluations ordered for everyone this summer.

"But listen, you, instead of doing Ewan McGregor and meeting a really, really nice actress on a film and then deciding you’re in love with her, you picked up a meth‐head, bogan, skank munter, from the trailer parks of Broadbeach and now you are trying to pretend that is who you want to live with. That little fucking skank."

Did she actually say/ write that??! Wow. Shocking in so many ways.
Not least that reach to make EM anything other than a lying, adulterous sleaze ball

Where are you reading this? Can you send me the link?

I’ve read all the legal documents. Shocking.

Those poor girls.

I really hope Alice loses custody of them. She’s just not fit to be a mother.

Oh Alice, you silly silly woman. She really lost it. A lot of us might have thought the same. We might have even written the post, but we wouldn’t have sent it. And now she has to suffer the consequences. IG has so much ammunition to hurl at her.

Yes she did, amongst many other unsavory comments posted both to her social media and in direct messages and emails to Ioan.

She clearly isn't mentally stable and there are many mentions of an alcohol problem. The mental health evaluations are essential to getting this sorted out. She is very abusive towards anyone remotely connected to Ioan. Her anger issues are well documented. Here is her reaction in a parking lot to a stranger. This video was first posted by the woman in the car to her social media (the woman at the time didn't know who Alice was- and then other people told her and it ended up in TMZ's hands).

The documents are all on tattle life including the most recent.

To make matters worse, she sent it from the older daughter's phone.

The younger daughter (YD) also recorded conversations between Alice and the older daughter (OD)as they were fighting a lot. Here is one...

OD: Screaming and crying
YD: “You ok Beans?”
Alice: “You don’t know what you got here and you’re fucking tedious.”
OD: “You’re supposed to be a Mother!”
Alice: “And your Father is supposed to be a Father!”
OD: “Mummy! Mummy! You have to stop bringing up Daddy in every single situation when we said nothing about Daddy!”
Alice: “I am a fucking Mother you bitch! Do you know what it takes to be a fucking Mother?”
OD: “Right now you’re not acting like one.”
Alice: “Why not?”
OD:” You’re yelling at your children, you’re telling them that they’re telling lies, you’re not giving us any voice, you’re, you threatened to leave us!”
Alice: “No, no, no, no, no, I just said that I don’t want anything to do with you anymore. You, you guys can go and live with your Daddy.”
OD: “That’s one of the most terrible things you can say to your child, you’re acting like your Dad right now! You take upon your Dad!”
Alice: “No, I don’t think anyone else has ever been left as alone as I have.”
OD: “See now, oh my god! Poor me! Poor me! Be a Mother!”
Alice: “You didn’t even listen to what I say! You don’t even listen to what I say.”
OD: “Oh I listen to everything you say. Be a Mother! Be a Mother!”
Alice: “Gloria’s having you for the rest of the week.”