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Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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HelenaBellena · 08/06/2023 06:43

Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

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bladebladebla1 · 11/06/2023 15:15

I keep getting notifications about this thread, I can't believe it's still going on. I commented myself but come on guys, we don't even know these people, go out and enjoy the sun!

MissFancyDay · 11/06/2023 15:22

bladebladebla1 · 11/06/2023 15:15

I keep getting notifications about this thread, I can't believe it's still going on. I commented myself but come on guys, we don't even know these people, go out and enjoy the sun!

Hahaha. You're so right. It's raining here though 😀

Fisharejumping · 11/06/2023 19:09

With due respect I don’t understand the logic of your argument.

Someone who leaves for someone else obviously thinks they’re going to be happier with the new person ergo they all leave because they are unhappy in some way.

Fisharejumping · 11/06/2023 19:14

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 12:07

Sorry I meant to put domestic abuse…..and I stand by that. Domestic violence is an outdated term which shouldn’t be used and I don’t tend to use it. Think I’ve been slightly bamboozled by reading it on this thread. 😁. But making threats, etc is definitely domestic abuse.

And evidence of the historic domestic abuse as many on here have claimed? Going back years before the meltdown?

wayyour · 11/06/2023 19:18

bladebladebla1 · 11/06/2023 15:15

I keep getting notifications about this thread, I can't believe it's still going on. I commented myself but come on guys, we don't even know these people, go out and enjoy the sun!

Ive been indoors - long train journey anyway. 😀

She shouldn't have abused him emotionally, and the hitting is just awful. Though why would he leave someone capable of that alone with them for so long.

QuintanaRoo · 11/06/2023 19:27

Fisharejumping · 11/06/2023 19:14

And evidence of the historic domestic abuse as many on here have claimed? Going back years before the meltdown?

You’d have to ask the people who said that. Which wasn’t me.

Merlin69 · 11/06/2023 21:21

Fisharejumping · 11/06/2023 19:14

And evidence of the historic domestic abuse as many on here have claimed? Going back years before the meltdown?

In the court papers that I posted (a link up thread) are examples Ioan has given of her abuse of him before he left her (including physical assault). There are references across the other court papers too which you can read here or alternatively on Tattle wiki https://mitzicooee.wixsite.com/alice-evans-abuses/post/alice-evans-abuses-legal-documents

There are documented incidents of abuse of others too e.g. In 2019 she tweeted she would make another twitter user’s life hell (his supposed ‘crime’ was he blocked her and when she found out she lost it to the point it ended in her tweeting suicide threats). These screenshots are in the Tattle Wiki.

Separately she crashed into someone’s car in a parking lot and instead of apologising, she is caught on film ranting at the other vehicle owner and being really unpleasant (it was aired on TMZ and is on YouTube). Again this was before Ioan left.

Going back even further relates to Ioan’s old fan website and IMDB board days. It isn’t verified/documented as such so it’s up to you to judge for yourself if you believe it but for those that do, their accounts are that she used to create sock accounts to come on and abuse users claiming they hated her because they were jealous of her and jealous she was with Ioan, she was quite crude and made sexual references such as him being inside her etc. The reason she appears to have done this is because people were critical of her fashion choices. She apparently also fell out with one of the moderators of Ioan’s fan website and had her removed because this particular moderator wasn’t banning people who criticised Alice’s fashion choices. I think this may well be mentioned on Tattle wiki but not sure.

There may be other examples but these are the main ones I recall.

Ioan hasn’t spoken publicly/to the media so the only documented abuse of him by Alice pre-separation and after is what is captured in the court papers. This means that there may be many more examples of how she abused him but these aren’t known for fact. It’s worth noting that the requirement to get the Domestic Violence Restraining Order was for him to detail her recent incidents of abuse (post separation) so it doesn’t mean anything that he hasn’t referenced their marital history yet in more detail. Personally I suspect she has been abusing him verbally and physically for many years now based on the pattern of her behaviour and her inability to contain her rage even when it could lead her to going to jail, however I don’t know for fact how long she’s abused him for.

Alice Evans Abuses: Legal Documents

Bifurcation of divorce applications by Ioan. Ioan has applied for bifurcation of his divorce as Alice continues to abuse him. Alice wants to stall the process by getting the High Court of London to award her half of his £1 500 pension. Thanks to sweetn...

https://mitzicooee.wixsite.com/alice-evans-abuses/post/alice-evans-abuses-legal-documents

Fisharejumping · 12/06/2023 09:19

Well, thst made for the most unedifying read. Reading AE’s texts is like being inside the mind of someone having a breakdown. So very sad. I can see why the court granted the restraining order. The constant texts are a form of harassment. The restraining order was for AE’s own good too.

Those on here who are making out that she exerted coercive control or whatever are being disingenuous as there is no evidence of that kind of domestic abuse. The court documents mention those forms of abuse and assault as an aid to the plaintiff while filling in the form. It isn’t an accusation against AE. The restraining order is to prevent her texts and the threats made in them (most of which we would recognise as empty threats made by an angry woman but she does say those things and the law is the law). IG must have known she made those threats in anger but used them against her. She played right into his hands.

IG comes across as awful in these documents even though he doesn’t say much except to make accusations against AE. He constantly says “I believe” which are not statements of fact but of conjecture. The times he actually hears AE talking inthe background when he calls his kids I can imagine any spouse making such comments but it is an example to us all to keep our mouths shut in the face of impending litigation.

IG says he believes AE has turned the girls against him but it appears from his evidence that they are incredibly angry with him and don’t want to be around him. It is easier for him to blame AE than to take responsibility for the distress he has caused them.

What little insight I get into IG from these documents show someone who has to have things done his way. Perhaps that is the result of being a Hollywood actor. Even AE built her life around him, giving up her career

i haven’t got to the evidence of physical hitting yet and not sure I want to carry on reading but I have seen no evidence so far. If someone wants to point me to the specific section I would be grateful .

Alice definitely needed treatment for her mental health and I hope she got it so that she can stand up for herself in a calmer stronger way. I hope she has got over IG now. He just isn’t worth it, although I understand that losing him is a loss in status as they were, relatively speaking, a power couple. And every couple loses the status of being the husband or wife of… when they divorce because marriage and family confers a particular status in this society.

Why am I interested to look at these documents? Because it confirms my suspicion that people haven’t read them properly and that they think the granting of the restraining order is proof from a court of law that AE is an abuser. Well, the docs offer no such proof. The order was granted (rightly) to stop her harassing IG with her constant texts which is a detriment to his professional standing. Nowhere is AE called a perpetrator of domestic abuse.

As for the child abuse suspicion: it was thrown out along with the charge that she broke the restraining order which IG seems to be using to control her.

I have an interest in Domestic Violence because I am a survivor of it. I really hate when people like IG claim to be victims when the evidence suggests that they are not.

I hope the kids are ok. They have been through a lot and their mother is the one who has to deal with the resulting behaviours. From the docs it is clear that this was not the first time that they ran away from meetings with IG. Instead of blaming AE he might do well to ask himself if they would behave that way towards a father who was truly loving towards them.

sorry for the long text. I feel a bit weird getting so involved but I really hate being misinformed. Now, back to work.

cobicat · 12/06/2023 11:02

@Fisharejumping thanks, I haven't got time to trawl through the documents so I appreciate your insights - your conclusions echo my own instincts about IG.

wayyour · 12/06/2023 11:17

Fisharejumping · 12/06/2023 09:19

Well, thst made for the most unedifying read. Reading AE’s texts is like being inside the mind of someone having a breakdown. So very sad. I can see why the court granted the restraining order. The constant texts are a form of harassment. The restraining order was for AE’s own good too.

Those on here who are making out that she exerted coercive control or whatever are being disingenuous as there is no evidence of that kind of domestic abuse. The court documents mention those forms of abuse and assault as an aid to the plaintiff while filling in the form. It isn’t an accusation against AE. The restraining order is to prevent her texts and the threats made in them (most of which we would recognise as empty threats made by an angry woman but she does say those things and the law is the law). IG must have known she made those threats in anger but used them against her. She played right into his hands.

IG comes across as awful in these documents even though he doesn’t say much except to make accusations against AE. He constantly says “I believe” which are not statements of fact but of conjecture. The times he actually hears AE talking inthe background when he calls his kids I can imagine any spouse making such comments but it is an example to us all to keep our mouths shut in the face of impending litigation.

IG says he believes AE has turned the girls against him but it appears from his evidence that they are incredibly angry with him and don’t want to be around him. It is easier for him to blame AE than to take responsibility for the distress he has caused them.

What little insight I get into IG from these documents show someone who has to have things done his way. Perhaps that is the result of being a Hollywood actor. Even AE built her life around him, giving up her career

i haven’t got to the evidence of physical hitting yet and not sure I want to carry on reading but I have seen no evidence so far. If someone wants to point me to the specific section I would be grateful .

Alice definitely needed treatment for her mental health and I hope she got it so that she can stand up for herself in a calmer stronger way. I hope she has got over IG now. He just isn’t worth it, although I understand that losing him is a loss in status as they were, relatively speaking, a power couple. And every couple loses the status of being the husband or wife of… when they divorce because marriage and family confers a particular status in this society.

Why am I interested to look at these documents? Because it confirms my suspicion that people haven’t read them properly and that they think the granting of the restraining order is proof from a court of law that AE is an abuser. Well, the docs offer no such proof. The order was granted (rightly) to stop her harassing IG with her constant texts which is a detriment to his professional standing. Nowhere is AE called a perpetrator of domestic abuse.

As for the child abuse suspicion: it was thrown out along with the charge that she broke the restraining order which IG seems to be using to control her.

I have an interest in Domestic Violence because I am a survivor of it. I really hate when people like IG claim to be victims when the evidence suggests that they are not.

I hope the kids are ok. They have been through a lot and their mother is the one who has to deal with the resulting behaviours. From the docs it is clear that this was not the first time that they ran away from meetings with IG. Instead of blaming AE he might do well to ask himself if they would behave that way towards a father who was truly loving towards them.

sorry for the long text. I feel a bit weird getting so involved but I really hate being misinformed. Now, back to work.

Good insightful post. I agree it did her good to have been stopped posting. She didn't sound well at one point.

I think a poster said it was page 13 the physical abuse. It isn't in any detail but mentions an occasion where she struck him on the head and neck (not quoting so may not be precise).

Can we be reassured that whatever she has done he must think the children are not at great risk as he left them in that situation, and for so long. He said prior to leaving routine was that he made the girls' breakfasts and prepared packed lunches because Alice was late to bed and a very late riser. That's not all of it but I only read it quickly. I think he made a mistake if this is all true.

He might have expected the nanny to take over, as apparently she did when he wasn't around, but she didn't live there.

Freefall212 · 24/06/2023 04:27

The case and request for an RO against Bianca was dismissed.

The case against Ioan was continued to July 13 and rolled into the divorce / custody case already scheduled for that day.

A GAL has been appointed for the girls.

HelenaBellena · 24/06/2023 06:04

This case is never ending.

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MichelleScarn · 24/06/2023 06:21

@Fisharejumping so because she was 'angry' her threats and aggressive behaviour should be disregarded?
Ig is a male therefore you don't believe he's a dv victim, but the situation has been so bad at home that both the children and AE are psychologically affected, but it's all IG's fault?

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Fisharejumping · 24/06/2023 06:42

MichelleScarn · 24/06/2023 06:21

@Fisharejumping so because she was 'angry' her threats and aggressive behaviour should be disregarded?
Ig is a male therefore you don't believe he's a dv victim, but the situation has been so bad at home that both the children and AE are psychologically affected, but it's all IG's fault?

No. Read my post. She was rightly served with an RO but that is not proof of DV it is proof of harrassment.

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Did you just call me a “sock puppet”? That is a personal attack and I shall be reporting this post.

wayyour · 24/06/2023 06:54

No. Read my post. She was rightly served with an RO but that is not proof of DV it is proof of harrassment.

But he mentions she struck him on one occasion. If that's not true why didn't she contest it?

Though I've also already added that IG cannot be overly concerned for the safety of the girls as he left them for so long, and it was a long time. Apparently (according to his testimony) he was the one who usually got up with them in the morning (breakfast packed lunches) while Alice remained in bed.

Over a year he didn't see them. I hope it just wasn't just being enamoured by his new relationship to care about anything else, he must have believed them safe. The nanny didn't live with them so he wasn't depending on her.

Freefall212 · 24/06/2023 07:02

wayyour · 24/06/2023 06:54

No. Read my post. She was rightly served with an RO but that is not proof of DV it is proof of harrassment.

But he mentions she struck him on one occasion. If that's not true why didn't she contest it?

Though I've also already added that IG cannot be overly concerned for the safety of the girls as he left them for so long, and it was a long time. Apparently (according to his testimony) he was the one who usually got up with them in the morning (breakfast packed lunches) while Alice remained in bed.

Over a year he didn't see them. I hope it just wasn't just being enamoured by his new relationship to care about anything else, he must have believed them safe. The nanny didn't live with them so he wasn't depending on her.

What is your evidence that he left them for a year?

wayyour · 24/06/2023 07:07

What is your evidence that he left them for a year?

Pretty certain it's in the court documents that he signed

Freefall212 · 24/06/2023 07:08

wayyour · 24/06/2023 07:07

What is your evidence that he left them for a year?

Pretty certain it's in the court documents that he signed

I have read all the documents and didn't see that anywhere. Can you point to which court documents you saw that in?

wayyour · 24/06/2023 07:10

Those linked on here. His application for RO

Fisharejumping · 24/06/2023 07:19

I am keen to follow the court’s decisions. We know the legal process is imperfect but it allows you to sift through the presented evidence In a fairly impartial way.

One thing I have noticed is that Gruffudd doesn’t take responsibility for a single thing. He presents himself as a totally innocent victim. He blames everything that went wrong with their marriage on AE. Yet when I look at his actions I can’t see that he has done anything positive - most of his actions seem cold and punitive, intended for his benefit over the well-being of others.

However I would like to look over the court documents so if anyone has a link I would be very grateful.

Freefall212 · 24/06/2023 07:21

wayyour · 24/06/2023 07:10

Those linked on here. His application for RO

Nothing in that documentation says or supports that he left them. That documentation (his petition for 50/50 custody) actually reports his continual efforts to see the girls and documented efforts at contact and at arranging therapy to support that contact. He did leave for work for a few months to France in fall 2021 but had made arrangements for contact during that time as well.

wayyour · 24/06/2023 07:26

I think he sounded like a good parent. The more stable and measured parent even, and a better to have main custody in my own opinion.

Just to have let so long elapse without seeing the girls. I think he gives a quasi explanation for this, quite possibly, but it's really not good. Phone and video calls were inadequate substitutions.

Fisharejumping · 24/06/2023 07:26

wayyour · 24/06/2023 06:54

No. Read my post. She was rightly served with an RO but that is not proof of DV it is proof of harrassment.

But he mentions she struck him on one occasion. If that's not true why didn't she contest it?

Though I've also already added that IG cannot be overly concerned for the safety of the girls as he left them for so long, and it was a long time. Apparently (according to his testimony) he was the one who usually got up with them in the morning (breakfast packed lunches) while Alice remained in bed.

Over a year he didn't see them. I hope it just wasn't just being enamoured by his new relationship to care about anything else, he must have believed them safe. The nanny didn't live with them so he wasn't depending on her.

I am not a lawyer and in any case American law is different to UK but I assume that hitting someone once is assault not DV? I think of DV as sustained control of various kinds. Perhaps a lawyer can help out?

By the way, I am not saying it is ok to hit someone. I am just interested in establishing some facts here rather than being fed tabloid infected opinion.