Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

This is the same dichotomania which can be seen in debates about certain royal family members. There are obviously people who have led themselves far too deeply into the saga of a family they don't know.
Usually, people speculate that it is paid PR but in this case, the two main characters are known to be broke so it is literally the algorithms fueling obsession.

And Gruffudd’s adoring girlie fans are here in even larger numbers to defend him, so you have no need to worry, eh?

Haha! Yes, I might have gone over the top but it’s meant to be metaphorical. I thought you’d all get my drift, not take it literally.

Agree. I'm not on the side of either of the parents. There's been some ill judgment on both sides. I'd also like to wait for the result of the hearing for the restraining order before commenting further about Ella.

I agree that neither party is an actual saint but this comment is just victim blaming I'm afraid. Anyone who has read the court documents can see that the abuse has come from one side and one side only, and that is Alice.

Agreed that the truth will come out about the latest incident when both sides have been heard.

Oh dear, @Freefall212 you don’t sound well. I mean this in the kindest way but perhaps you need to step back from this now - perhaps we all do. Your post makes me realise how easy it is to become over invested in The lives of strangers these days. It is unhealthy.

Not victim blaming at all. I'm talking about their behaviour with reference to the children, as I have done in previous posts also. Both have been guilty of poor judgement, as I said.

I don't know the details of the court documents
to be able to comment as to what Alice did, or didn't do, to Ioan, so I haven't commented on that aspect.

I've also refrained from labelling a 13 year old, claiming abuse, as a liar (as someone did) as we don't know the details yet and it would be inappropriate in any case.

The restraining order was to stop AE posting her ranty and borderline defamatory posts on SM. It wasn’t like the restraining order handed out to domestic violence perps. She was stalking IG online, not in person. But some of you have run with it and said that IG is a victim of DV. Don’t make me laugh…

So it wasn't domestic violence? I haven't read the court papers.

Yes it was for domestic violence, specifically what was granted was a permanent restraining aka a DVRO (domestic violence restraining order).

I don’t think he’s ever accused her of physical abuse but said there have been a lot of threats and verbal abuse. Which meets the criteria of domestic abuse. Though she does deny it. However the restraining order was granted.

https://people.com/movies/ioan-gruffudd-files-for-domestic-violence-restraining-order-against-estranged-wife-alice-evans/

If Tattle as a website attracts ‘super fans’ then wouldn’t it make sense that Alice would equally have at least one positive thread from said ‘super fans’? Tattle not only allows ‘rave’ threads but encourages users to create/post on these types of thread.

I believe no thread of its type (in direct support of Alice) exists on Tattle because there are so few people who have anything positive to say about her. The ones that do (her ‘fans’) openly admit that they regularly read what has been said about her on Tattle but they can’t even be bothered to go to the effort of putting their words into action and attempting to change the Tattle narrative of her. My opinion is that most of the limited supporters she does have her don’t actually care about her at all but are just there to wind her up for their own version of a Jerry Springer show.

In one of the court submissions (statement under oath) he did actually claim she physically assaulted him and more horrifically he claimed it was in front of the children.

Alice had ample notice as well as opportunity to refute these claims of physical abuse but she actually failed to show up to court (worse still she was tweeting banal content at the time of her intended court appearance).

Speaking for myself, if I was falsely accused of assaulting someone, I’d contest it but even if for some reason this wasn’t possible (e.g. if I was going to claim I was too affected by anxiety and distraught to face court), the last place you’d expect me to be is having chats with strangers on social media

Whole thing is a shitshow.
My parents divorced when I was six.
My mum slagged off my Dad for the next few decades but allowed us access.
It is bloody awful being placed in the middle from a young age, even worse when access is withheld (this happened to us once and scarred us).
I have neurodiverse kids and one was a runner - I have had to lock the door once to stop him running out when younger. Nightmare. Has also nearly pulled door from hinges. I can see how an accident would occur.
Throwing milk on a bed and mustard about is unacceptable. Even in throes of a meltdown mine haven't pulled that, venting or not.
So yes, IG is no Disney Dad and needs to step up.
Having to meet new gf - too soon perhaps but having been there, I understood she was a fixture. AE is inflicting emotional damage though - and they will realise this once older and go NC/LC as a result.

Not domestic violence in the way that some people are trying to claim. It was to stop her texts and posts and the threats she was making (about revealing v this and that to the press as well as illegal accusations). All the behaviour that she started after he left.

people on here make out IG was the victim of historic domestic abuse and he has tried to make a case for this. This is nothing new - read professor Jane Moncton Smith’s book “Control” about the perpetrators of DV and how it is common for them to make accusations against victim. Not that I am saying IG is perp and AE victim. None of us know that for sure at this point.

if any posters have court references to AE being issued with the order because of physical violence please let me have the link as I am keen to see for myself.

Alice was nuts way before he left. You only need to watch the video where she hit another car in a car park and completely lost her shit.

Then there's the constant late night abusive twitter and instagram posts were she threatens to ruin his life and stop him from ever seeing his children

If you read all the court papers from the last 2 years you will see what a nasty abusive person she has been for years.

The last visitation was court ordered and the children are exchanged at a police station. There was also a court appointed representative present throughout the visit. This would indicate that the children were not blindsided by an unexpected visit to his home where his Partner was present.

We have only seen one side of the court application. Let's see what comes out when we see the other witness statements.

Same here. Can you imagine suddenly being on the receiving end of his coldness after you’d shared a life and kids with him for years? That would be devasting. My uterus freezes over a when I try to imagine it.

Yeh, while I don't deny she is a narc herself and needs to move on, he is a nar too and it is a strategy of abuse, to be chilling in the lack of empathy but to execute the chill like a very calm superior robot. My mother does it. I have lost my shit and screamed at her. She doesn't respond. So the 3 years she spent giving me silent treatments, smearing me, gas lighting me and being the victim of me are even more invisible. She is calm. I am angry. The End. The narrative is set. She is perfect. I'm crazy. It's a narrative that feeds itself until you give up.

It is a really emotionally abusive strategy. I'm aware of it, and I still fell for it a couple of times.

“Meets the criteria of domestic violence”.

Which criteria is this? Can you please provide a link as I am very interested to know. And please not because the DailyFail or People magazine said so.

Sorry I meant to put domestic abuse…..and I stand by that. Domestic violence is an outdated term which shouldn’t be used and I don’t tend to use it. Think I’ve been slightly bamboozled by reading it on this thread. 😁. But making threats, etc is definitely domestic abuse.

The following list is from Womens Aid;

Domestic abuse can include, but is not limited to, the following:

• Coercive control (a pattern of intimidation, degradation, isolation and control with the use or threat of physical or sexual violence)
• Psychological and/or emotional abuse [2].
• Physical or sexual abuse.
• Financial or economic abuse.
• Harassment and stalking.
• Online or digital abuse.

I would say she’s undertaken coercive control (making threats of false accusations if he left), emotional abuse, harassment and online and digital abuse. She fits the profile of a domestic abuser.

On page 13 of the document in this link is where Ioan states Alice physically assaulted him (this is a court document)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KQTJR10FHv28BoBKqyU7N4RkFP2F7c9e/view

Can you imagine suddenly being on the receiving end of his coldness after you’d shared a life and kids with him for years? That would be devasting.

You know that they tried a callaborative divorce, but she made it impossible, right?
And every time that he has attempted to talk to her about anything he has been met with abuse. I think that I might be a little "cold" when faced with that.

It is obvious that he won't engage now because it's pointless, and it don't blame him. It's also obvious that it drives her mad. But what goes around comes around I'm afraid.

That's what I wanted to know. Thank you. That is indisputably physical, and emotional, abuse. She doesn't appear to have objected or countered that I know of either.

The girls could do with his stabilising influence rather than being solely in the care of their mother. It's a shame he couldn't see them for so long.

What a mess, though.

Interestingly I hadn’t realised u til yesterday that there’s no evidence of him having an affair.

he told her In August he wanted to leave, left in January and as far as anyone knows started seeing Bianca in Sept. Over a year after he said he wanted to separate and 9 months after he did leave. Alice had shouted so loudly that he’d had an affair I’d thought that was true.

I mean she might be right but there’s no evidence. The only person who did have an affair was when she got together with Ioan and was still with someone else.

@QuintanaRoo I think through years of being on mumsnet, the general consensus seems to be men always leave for someone else. Perhaps he was unhappy but they rarely leave to be alone.

I agree that normally this is the case……but it isn’t always. Certainly in real life I’ve known someone (male) leave because they were unhappy.