Foreign teachers are being offered an extra £10,000 to come and work in Britain in bid to fill classroom vacancies

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Apparently we aren't getting enough immigrants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131699/Foreign-teachers-offered-extra-10-000-come-work-Britain.html

oh, and it seems we need to import fishermen too

https://www.ft.com/content/5a438a26-4046-4df6-b4e1-b49af82cfbe0

I still have to disagree. Oak Academy has failed to take off the way it was intended, mostly because of the above issues.

Online Maths teaching, as proposed by Sunak, has failed to take shape, because of its impracticalities.

Every project where students are issued with iPads/ laptops in schools has failed due to IT issues and behaviour issues (including, anecdotally, kids selling these free devices on for cash). It just doesn't work.

And the government may not care about failing kids on an individual basis, but they have an external reputation to protect - it's why the figues of kids (and adults) passing each year is so highly publicised and used as a stick to beat teachers and institutions with.

@ThrallsWife I really, really hope that you're right.
I suppose it differs from school to school but I've strongly felt myself pushed down a sausage factory route for the last few years. Even in an alternative educational setting.
But then again, the pendulum could easily swing back the other way as it has so many times in the past. So fingers crossed hey?

Things will definitely change in schools over the next few decades, hard to tell in what ways but its clear this country (and the western world it seems) don't value education as much as once was, and by extension doesn't respect the value that teachers bring to education and to children beyond delivering lessons. Its very sad, and it's even sadder in many ways the lack of respect a lot of parents and a lot of children have toward teachers and toward school in general.

I think in the short term lessons from shortage subjects like maths will be delivered in larger groups in sports halls or some other ridiculous and some classes delivered via laptops with an adult just sitting in to make sure the children don't cause mayhem. Of course this is in no way a good or positive thing, but seems to be the next inevitable step as government don't want to address anything- Labour don't seem to have any great plans either (although can't do any bloody worse).

Things will definitely change in schools over the next few decades, hard to tell in what ways but its clear this country (and the western world it seems)

Hmmm, teachers we’ve had come over from EU countries have even appalled at the work load, pay, contact time, lack of respect and behaviour and not stayed long at all so I think England must be one of the worst, sadly.

I’ve been teaching for 15 years and work with lots of overseas teachers as I work in an urban, deprived area where recruitment has historically been difficult (even before the current recruitment crisis). They’re generally great, but many are shocked at the system we have here on arrival and ultimately end up leaving after a year or two due to the workload and behaviour.

Likewise, almost every NQT/ECT I’ve worked with in the last 7 or 8 years has left teaching within three years, although increasingly it’s after a year. As one of them put it to me, they see their friends who graduated at the same time as them earn more money doing jobs that have far less responsibility and fewer demands on their time - why would they stay?

One of the common complaints seems to be behaviour - are PP talking about the behaviour of their students?

The students, yes but then when you're struggling with the behaviour of a student then having the parents blame you and at times become really quite unpleasant and aggressive about it. Or they don't care at all.
Then the school management offer you training which, at heart, suggests that the single cause of the behaviour is that you as a teacher are somehow lacking and not a good enough teacher.

Like the pp said-it’s behaviour of the students, but then it’s implied that the behaviour is due to poor teaching/behaviour management.

If you have a student who point blank refuses to do what they should be doing, SLT don’t back you up and they aren’t removed from the class-then you are blamed about it by the parents later, things become difficult.

There should be absolute zero tolerance on bad behaviour by students. Day one at school "these are the rules, learn them off by heart. Break them and you're out there and then, at the click of a mouse, you're gone, no ifs, no buts, no appeals." You're out and it's up to your parents to arrange alternative provision. At their own time and expense. It wouldn't take very long or very many expulsions for the message to sink in, To the benefit of the great many children who actually go to school wanting to learn.

Which is a laudable idea. In reality, permanent exclusion is incredibly difficult ti make stick - even if a student has violently assaulted another student, and that's caught on CCTV.

Kids are feral and their behaviour is rewarded.
Monstrous workload.

I think some parents and Ofsted should be drafted in to plug the gap because they know it all.

Change the rules, the current situation benefits no-one.

The government - who demonstrably give no shits about state schools and their pupils - make the rules.

This. 🤣🤣🤣

Would never work - if you excluded them where would they go ?

It would only work for children with invested parents with the means, financial and otherwise, to arrange alternative provision. The rest will be left to their own devices, at home or roaming the streets.

The parents of some of those children won’t give a shit. There would just be feral children roaming in packs.

I know a child who wants nothing more than to be excluded, as then he would just sit around at home.

And then we are back to safeguarding, these are often the children most at risk.

My kids wouldn't dream of knowingly breaking school. It seems society needs a wake up call as these problems begin at home ......

Yep. But we don’t need to think about that as the future will be all placid children sat behind computers happily doing their work.

Education isn't valued highly enough in our society and too many parents simply see school as a babysitting club. Even here on MN every holiday there's numerous posts of people complaining about having to look after their own children for a week or two. I'm not suggesting education shouldn't be free, but I do think that the fact that it is free makes people not value it.

If we can't retain home grown Teachers, why do the Government think foreign Teachers will want to stay? Or is it just a sound bite "we have recruited an additional x amount of new Teachers this year"

Why do you think the SLT won’t bss as ck you up? If your teaching isn’t the problem what’s their agenda?

Bloody fat fingers!
Why do you think the SLT won’t back you up? If your teaching isn’t the problem what’s their agenda?

I agree. Even though education is not technically free in the UK as it's paid for through our taxes. It is free at source like the NHS.

Even getting the parents to pay for their kids' equipment would be a start and make a difference to their attitude towards school imho.

Balancing their budgets.

One experienced teacher= 2 new entrants/ 3 TAs .. etc.