Foreign teachers are being offered an extra £10,000 to come and work in Britain in bid to fill classroom vacancies

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Apparently we aren't getting enough immigrants.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131699/Foreign-teachers-offered-extra-10-000-come-work-Britain.html

oh, and it seems we need to import fishermen too

https://www.ft.com/content/5a438a26-4046-4df6-b4e1-b49af82cfbe0

Exactly. Or the parent is seriously ill and it’s actually their 17 year old sister that is caring for them. Or their parents are always stoned and drunk. Or a parent is violent.

I do get it. I get annoyed that a small number of children disrupt everything for everyone else. It’s very unfair, but sending children off to roam the street because they tell you to fuck off once it too much.

because they tell you to fuck off once it too much.

If we're talking about a single strike for disrupting a lesson then I suspect Florenz would like you kicked out of school for far less. Talking to your mate while the teacher is teaching disrupts the lesson.

If a kid tells me to fuck off, they do get removed.
Far more disruptive is the constant pointless wittering about how "it's not fair" or the dicking about because they don't have a pen or their mate was a dick at break or the head on the desk refusing...
... still can't exclude them for any of that though.

Would you want that power?

It's irrelevant whether I'd want that power. Schools don't have it, and even if they did, there is very little alternative provision that we could access.
The poster who thinks we should just chuck them out is deluded.
What I would like is smaller class sizes to enable me to spend more time with individuals, more planning time so I can prepare better lessons, more support for the students who need it, a more flexible curriculum. None of which are possible.

The poster who thinks we should just chuck them out is deluded.

That poster doesn't want them put in alternative provision, that poster wants them put on the streets.

Ah yes. Then we get complaints from
the locals and sometimes the police turn up.
That's fun.
And in no way takes anyone's time up from the core business of teaching 🤦🏼‍♀️

None of which are possible without some serious investment….

You can't withdraw education from a child!

Of course you can. If they aren't willing to be educated, what is the point?

That would be illegal exclusion

There are many children you would have written off who we have nonetheless managed to educate.

What benefit is there to the country to have large groups of children uneducated and on the streets?

There wouldn't be many at all. Once they started to see that there were consequences to misbehaving at school, the vast majority of them would fall into line.

The consequence is that you don't have to go to school? I don't think that ends with them "falling into line"

Laws can be changed.

Of course. But probably not by me or by you.
And there's no will to do that - schools are heavily penalised for exclusions already.
No one is going to want disaffected teens roaming about with nothing to do because they're not in school.

I reckon my kids would pick this option if they could. Luckily they have to go to school and they have parents who value education. Lots of parents don't, not really, so if more kids were being excluded and lots of kids "on the streets", I think we'd be a while rowing back from that.

But there are disaffected groups of teens wandering around with nothing to do because they're not in school. They're just old enough to not be required to be in school anymore.

Exactly.
Of my year 10 class, 5 would vanish overnight to the farm. Another 3 would stay home playing computer games.

It would make my job easier, but that's not an acceptable situation unless we're going back to the days of only educating a portion of the population.

I know a lot of teachers. All of them have been striking. All of them say pay is not the issue. The job is impossible and utterly destroys you

Luckily, they're not my problem. I can think of two who I taught last year who are in the roaming pack this year. Both got a pass in my subject, which gives them a chance. If we'd just binned them off, they'd be in a much worse position.

Because why? They want to go to school? They want to do the work?

I've mentioned before the huge amount of work that goes on in schools into getting kids to do the work. Parents experienced it over lockdown. Large swathes of kids do not want to go to school. Many that do want to go to school do not want to do the work.

And not just the ones that you would call 'bad kids'.

Adults generally don't want to work either, that's why we pay them to do it.

It's practically illegal for children to be shown how to be respectful, and to properly implement health and safety is untenable due to chronically low pay and staffing levels, so no one wants to do the job.

But what about the kids that want to learn? Whyshould they lose out on teaching due to badly behaved kids?

I wonder how teachers managed to deal with us back in the day. They seemed to keep us in line without petty detentions every five minutes. (I am not old enough for corporal punishment to have been the "answer" by the way!)

Large swathes of kids do not want to go to school. Many that do want to go to school do not want to do the work but it was ever thus