Two dogs shot in London by police

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I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

What you're proposing is genocide of a certain breed of dog

I don't really think it's appropriate to use genocide in the context of an animal, it hugely minimises what it really means.

The owners should be thrown in jail. Feral reckless scrotes 😡

Have a think about the 3 month old baby killed by a husky, or the 17 month old killed by an American bully XL or the 2 year old killed by a Rottweiler or the 3 year old killed by a Cane Corso and tell yourself these dogs aren't a problem. Try and compare the extra enjoyment someone gets from having one of those dogs compared to a safer breed with the horror as those children were attacked and killed and tell me it was all worth it.

Those 4 small children were killed in a 3 month period last year.

What is wrong with not having certain breeds. We don’t have wild boars or wild bears in the UK yet we are all okay with people having killer dogs.

It's hard to make out the breed from that video clip but they don't look like bull dog types to me. Maybe labradors? Small dobermans?

Unfortunately that’s probably because if a bulky breed is angry enough to properly attack (not just nip) the outcome is more likely to be death or the victim at the scene. These victims aren’t arriving in A&E for treatment, they’re going to hospital in a body bag.

You can see in the list of fatal dog attacks in the UK that almost every dog attack since 2020 where the breed was known the dog was a bully breed, not a collie or a beagle or a spaniel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Would have been a small target. Much safe to aim for his cock.

I’d say 99.9999% of the time it’s the owner’s fault! These dogs are the way they are for a reason and allowing them to do silly things like being off-lead when they aren’t 100% sure they are safe is what causes these incidents sadly. My dog isn’t in anyway aggressive to people but he would jump up and isn’t great with some dogs so he is never off the lead when out places. Yeah I could just let him off and see what happens, walk past people saying ‘he’s fine’ as he jumps on their dog but any decent dog owner doesn’t do that. There are very very few dogs who can actually be trusted enough to walk completely off lead. A lady in my town has a really big dog who is very friendly but she insists on walking it off lead. Even when she can see my on-lead dog is scared as it comes right up to us, she still doesn’t put it on the lead. She walks along the main road past my house with it off lead and last week it crossed the road, came into my garden and right into my house as I stood in the front garden with the door open 😳 was it the dog’s fault? No. Put it on a bloody lead!

Seems to me we treat dogs better than humans at times. Maybe it's a perfect use of the word to highlight some peoples priorities ?

Totally agree.

You believe what you want because it fits your narrative.

I'm going to bow out of this thread because the vast majority just see a bull breed and think 'chav owner, that dog is a killer'. With most that's as far from the truth as you can get, I am adult enough to see that you won't change your mind, and I'm not in the mind to try.

Was the police right to kill the dogs, yes they were. Would my dogs be in that situation, or 90% of bull breed owners? No chance.

Have a nice day.

I'm pleased the police didn't let lack of identification stop them doing their job.

I’m quite keen on dogs, but the ownership styles and breeds have changed significantly on a few years. I’m 5ft 11 and broad, and I’ve been shocked to encounter a dog in the park recently that was as broad on the chest and shoulders as me. Didn’t appear well trained at all, nor did the owner on social norms.
There needs to be new rules, for new behaviours that have emerged

@Toooldtoworry I love the big breeds!

any chance of a photo??

I own an xl and I agree with what the police did here. If a dog mauls anyone it should be shot on site. That goes for any breed. The owner looks like he's either drunk or on something so shouldn't be out in public with them anyway. State of him.

@Casilero they don't look like xl's to me.

@Singleandproud

i disagree, hundreds of thousands of dogs walked 'off lead' daily, without incident. WTAF should they be penalised because of the idiots that don't train their dogs?

I'm just pointing out that banning bull type dogs wouldn't have prevented this. Unless, of course, all dogs were banned.

Was it definitely these dogs who attacked the woman? The reports I've read seem vague. Just that there was a dog attack in the area, then police came across these dogs on a lead, who were acting aggressively.

I’m in London. Lots of staffies, bullies XL etc here and never had any issues but I simply wouldn’t have them in my home around young children.

The only dogs I’m careful of in the street are Akitas as I’ve seen too many vicious ones. I’ve met nice ones too.

Destroying and banning whole breeds of dogs will change nothing if ownership is not regulated.
Ban bullies and people will just misuse other dogs to be agressive and bite - should every dog then be banned?

Many people have no clue how to choose a dog that suits their lifestyle or how to train it to the breed’s specific traits. They want a ‘cute’ dog that looks good on Instagram or a designer breed as a status symbol.

A badly behaved dog is ALWAYS the result of a badly behaved owner. Right now the decision to be a responsible owner is a matter of choice.

Everyone owning a dog should be legally required to attend training classes before and after they get a dog and be licensed.

Breeders should be licensed and not allowed to sell to just anyone who has the cash. It goes without saying back yard breeders should be banned and no one should be allowed to sell live animals on gumtree or Facebook.

Yes, bully dogs can cause a huge amount of damage and people should not be allowed to own them without really strict regulation and responsibilities, including being muzzled and leashed at all times in public, ongoing training and sensible home routines. Unfortunately they often most attractive to people who like the idea of having a deadly weapon or status symbol and put as much thought into getting one as they do new trainers. Regulate the unthinking owners not the dog who has no choice.

As a PP has said most dog bites are from less dangerous breeds : I have been bitten more times by agressive small dogs than I ever have by large dogs. Again I blame the owners in all cases - all were badly trained dogs confused about whether they are pets or humans.

Tl:dr Regulate the owners not the dogs.

@Winter2020

wft Bonkers ! 😁

Next time something like this happens in future, just report about it, on non emergency police tel line or report to Dogs welfare charity/organisation for a dogs warden to come out and collect the dog, and obviously 🙄 do follow up of finding owners whereabouts ect.

No need to put yourself in potential danger danger in any way..🤔

Everyone owning a dog should be legally required to attend training classes before and after they get a dog and be licensed

Not everyone could afford that - either financially or timewise. You'd make owning a dog a preserve of the wealthy.

Is the argument you'd face .....

And for what it’s worth, the sweetest, softest, best natured dogs I’ve ever met have, without fail, been bull breeds with responsible owners who put huge amounts of time and effort into their socialisation.

The worst have been ‘family’ dogs that were bought as pups and left to raise themselves by people who think ownership begins and ends at feeding.

I must be a heartless cow because i just thought it was a shame that the owner wasn't shot as well. I have no understanding of the mentality of those that choose to have these types of dogs, i can only assume it makes them feel powerful.

I wish this sort of thing happened more often. If people knew the police would shoot their dogs if they attacked anyone, they might be a bit more responsible.