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Two dogs shot in London by police

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flowagurl · 08/05/2023 08:40

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

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Iwasafool · 08/05/2023 09:45

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:28

People go on about bully breeds - in my line of work I see the reports of dog bites particularly on children and strangers unknown to the dog - the majority of dogs who bite are collies and French bulldogs. Staffies are some of the softest dogs you can get.

How many French Bulldogs have killed people? Or inflicted life changing injuries?

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 09:45

Isn’t this what happens with dangerous dogs that maul people? They get put down

It's not automatic in the UK. In fact the reason we are discussing this story is because it is incredibly rare for the police to shot dogs dead on the spot.

stbrandonsboat · 08/05/2023 09:45

Chihuahuas were they?

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SunnySaturdayMorning · 08/05/2023 09:46

Toooldtoworry · 08/05/2023 09:23

My dogs are not on the dangerous dogs list. You are projecting your fear on my dogs. Not all dogs are the same, or act the same. Like not all humans are the same, or act so.

What you're proposing is genocide of a certain breed of dog because of your fear.

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No they’re not, but they should be. They are dangerous and they all need shooting. It’s the only way.

Unfortunately the government are too soft to make that call so it’s likely they’ll just be banned but at the very least I hope you’re all made to give them up.

Pineda · 08/05/2023 09:46

Toooldtoworry · 08/05/2023 08:51

Dog owner of 3 bully dogs (2x SBT and ABBB). I would welcome introduction of dog licensing and compulsory training.

Given the reputation of the breeds I own they go to regular training and they're always on lead unless we've hired a private field or they're in the garden.

I NEVER allow mine up to people/children unless the person asks to fuss them and then I insist on a sit/down before they can.

Why on earth have them?

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 09:46

I thought that was the premise behind microchipping? I mean surely if they wanted to they could make a register of all dog owners.

You mean a register of all responsible dog owners.

Mitfordian · 08/05/2023 09:47

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:39

I think the thing to consider is it isn’t the breed that dictates whether a dog will attack or not. It’s the upbringing. People who own frenchies, collies, etc as family pets because they’re cute and don’t consider the implication of having any dog around small, unpredictable children (or anyone for that matter) and then don’t train them properly because it’s just a Frenchie or just a collie act surprised when they bite. On the whole people who own staffies, bully breeds, German shepherds etc are aware of a dog’s capabilities and put in the necessary leg work. It’s more about the type of owner a breed attracts than the breed itself. I stand by what I said and I’d sooner have my child around a staffy than a frenchie

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Yes all dog owners have a duty to be responsible owners and many are not. But the majority of people who own these kind of dogs are absolutely not cognisant of their capabilities. I live in a large city and never once have seen any owner of this 'type' of dog who looks responsible. Utterly feckless would be much closer to the mark. The motivation for owning these types of dogs is highly questionable and we all know who they attract - why are you pretending otherwise?

SunnyEgg · 08/05/2023 09:47

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 09:45

Isn’t this what happens with dangerous dogs that maul people? They get put down

It's not automatic in the UK. In fact the reason we are discussing this story is because it is incredibly rare for the police to shot dogs dead on the spot.

I can see it’s rare to do it in the spot but does it always happen afterwards or is that still rare?

I’m surprised I must have the wrong idea, not sure where I picked it up

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:48

Iwasafool · 08/05/2023 09:45

How many French Bulldogs have killed people? Or inflicted life changing injuries?

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Don’t have the stats off the top of my head but I’d say 90% of the injuries I’ve seen caused by dogs are what most would consider family dogs (frenchies, collies, beagles, spaniels etc). Most of those have required some form of surgery to fix but depends of your definition of life changing. The vast majority I see that are the bully breeds people so often want banning need a couple of stitches at most.

Necrotic · 08/05/2023 09:48

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:39

I think the thing to consider is it isn’t the breed that dictates whether a dog will attack or not. It’s the upbringing. People who own frenchies, collies, etc as family pets because they’re cute and don’t consider the implication of having any dog around small, unpredictable children (or anyone for that matter) and then don’t train them properly because it’s just a Frenchie or just a collie act surprised when they bite. On the whole people who own staffies, bully breeds, German shepherds etc are aware of a dog’s capabilities and put in the necessary leg work. It’s more about the type of owner a breed attracts than the breed itself. I stand by what I said and I’d sooner have my child around a staffy than a frenchie

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I don’t agree with this. Dogs were bred with specific traits to suit specific roles. There is a reason you never seen bulldogs herding sheep or greyhounds competing in obedience trials.
Collies were bred to herd. Hence why they have a tendency to chase and nip.
Hounds were bred to hunt, hence why they tend to hunt things!
Dobermanns were bred as personal protection dogs … hence why they excel at protection and guarding duties and can be over protective of their owners.
Bully type dogs were bred to fight …

The traits exists still in these dog breeds … yes they can be trained but the traits are still there under the surface.

Pineda · 08/05/2023 09:49

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:28

People go on about bully breeds - in my line of work I see the reports of dog bites particularly on children and strangers unknown to the dog - the majority of dogs who bite are collies and French bulldogs. Staffies are some of the softest dogs you can get.

French bulldogs? Not sure they could inflict a life changing injury.

Staffies aren't bullys

DogInATent · 08/05/2023 09:50

Necrotic · 08/05/2023 09:29

Yeah but a collie or French bulldog isn’t likely to kill the person it attacks is it?

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Of all the breeds, Collie is the one I would trust least as a 'family' dog. They're a typical working dog and a lot harder work to keep responsibly as a pet dog than the typical SBT.

Beetlewings · 08/05/2023 09:50

I feel sorry for the police who had to shoot the dogs.

nirbil · 08/05/2023 09:51

I think you can have empathy and still agree with dangerous animals being pts.

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:53

Mitfordian · 08/05/2023 09:47

Yes all dog owners have a duty to be responsible owners and many are not. But the majority of people who own these kind of dogs are absolutely not cognisant of their capabilities. I live in a large city and never once have seen any owner of this 'type' of dog who looks responsible. Utterly feckless would be much closer to the mark. The motivation for owning these types of dogs is highly questionable and we all know who they attract - why are you pretending otherwise?

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What does responsible look like? I grew up with staffies, German shepherds and dobermans - what were my parents motivations? My childminder had two rotties who used to sit themselves across doorways so we couldn’t leave the playroom and would watch us wherever we went.

callmemavis · 08/05/2023 09:55

and recently even posted on an animal testing post

ok?🏅

Guineasrule · 08/05/2023 09:56

Aggressive owners tend to result in aggressive dogs. There should be zero tolerance for dangerous dogs and if they have mauled a woman yes, shoot them. Do you want to risk this happening again?

Yeah but a collie or French bulldog isn’t likely to kill the person it attacks is it?
Collies can be nippy things and the dog walker who was killed a few months was attacked included cockerpoos. you cannot predict what a dog will do.

MartiniFlan · 08/05/2023 09:56

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:31

I’ve seen some really, really nasty injuries from both. A French bulldog is quite capable of doing serious damage to a child particularly and collies can be downright vicious. Can’t actually remember the last time I saw a report of a bully breed biting and most have been nips or small puncture wounds.

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Do you not watch the news? Every other week there's a report of someone being killed by a bully breed!

Mitfordian · 08/05/2023 09:57

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:53

What does responsible look like? I grew up with staffies, German shepherds and dobermans - what were my parents motivations? My childminder had two rotties who used to sit themselves across doorways so we couldn’t leave the playroom and would watch us wherever we went.

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Well that sounds highly irresponsible to me!! Not a childminder I would select but since you were ok, I guess its fine?

You - and everyone else on this thread - knows precisely what i mean. The faux naivety is wearing and part of the reason these attacks keep happening.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 08/05/2023 09:59

Winter2020 · 08/05/2023 08:50

There was a lost dog in our street the other day and I let it in to keep it safe while someone went to knock where they thought was the owner.

I had been too hasty offering and realised it looked like 4 stone of muscle with a panting mouth attached. I was pretty terrified - although it did nothing other than run about panting. My kids were not in else I would have said no. I looked at it and could understand how a dog could kill a grown up without them being able to get it off. It looked like a beast.

Couldn't wait for the owner to come and fortunately she did.

I think the breeding and sale of these muscle/bully dogs should be banned and fines/prosecution for people that do breed them.

If we had compulsory licensing a vet could assess and compulsory sterilise muscle beasts to put an end to the type.

I have two dogs and I agree with you.

this kind of thing gives all dogs and dog owners a bad name.

Some breeds need to be regulated.

OneFrenchEgg · 08/05/2023 10:00

Interesting the discussion on breeds.

'As stated, it's tricky to deliver a definitive list, as many dog bites may be minor and are never reported to authorities or result in insurance claims. Insurance company Star has, however, come up with a list of dogs most likely to bitee_, based on figures from Merseyside Police.

  1. Jack Russell
  2. Staffordshire Bull Terrier
  3. German Shepard
  4. Rottweiler
  5. Siberian Husky'

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dogs-most-likely-bite-uk-24246918?intsource=amppcontinuereading&inttmedium=amp&intcampaign=continueereadingbutton#amp-readmore-target

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 10:01

Mitfordian · 08/05/2023 09:57

Well that sounds highly irresponsible to me!! Not a childminder I would select but since you were ok, I guess its fine?

You - and everyone else on this thread - knows precisely what i mean. The faux naivety is wearing and part of the reason these attacks keep happening.

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The reason people get attacked by dogs is almost entirely due to irresponsible ownership. True ‘unprovoked’ dog attacks caused solely by the dog for no reason almost never happen.

sylvandweller · 08/05/2023 10:02

All dogs should be licensed.

Dogs over a certain weight should be banned in public, with an exemption for police dogs.

Mitfordian · 08/05/2023 10:05

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 10:01

The reason people get attacked by dogs is almost entirely due to irresponsible ownership. True ‘unprovoked’ dog attacks caused solely by the dog for no reason almost never happen.

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Yes and all my posts have been about irresponsible owners? 'Responsible' is also subjective and may include not taking unecessary risks with dogs, even if you believe them to be safe..... That aside, animals are ALWAYS unpredictable and need to be treated as such.

Toooldtoworry · 08/05/2023 10:05

Pineda · 08/05/2023 09:46

Why on earth have them?

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As I previously said:

Their loving nature, athleticism and fact they are not working dogs met my requirements.

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