Two dogs shot in London by police

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I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

@Becky12123

The first dog lunged towards the police and was shot. The man ran down the footpath. A policeman got past the dogs and chased him. The second dog turned and attempted to move towards the owner and policeman and was also shot.

A video of the dogs on the Tube proves nothing with regards to them being aggressive when the police shot them.

It does show just how big and inherently dangerous they are due to their weight and breed - i.e. jaw size and fighting dog ancestry.

You can’t say a dog isn’t aggressive from a video of them with their owner and no other triggers.

How can you say they wouldn’t bite a stranger if there’s no stranger touching them or say they aren’t dog aggressive with no dog there to assess the reaction.

All of my reactive dogs have been lovely with family, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t react differently to another dog, animal or stranger.

@GSD20 the point is there is no evidence they attacked anyone. No one was injured .

Apparently another dog was injured Becky.

And the dogs were running free - they can cause car accidents etc as well as being a threat to her dogs or even people (though attacking other dogs doesn't mean they will progress to attacking people)/

*to other dogs, not "to her dogs"

@Emotionalsupportviper no dog or person was injured! This is fiction, nothing in the news has stated this. The dogs were also on leads

I'm with you @Becky12123 but people lose their minds about dogs on this site and refuse to see any other point of view.

@Becky12123 by law they don’t have to physically hurt someone to be out of control. In order to have entangled the woman, regardless of if they hurt her or the other dog, they were not under control. Why were they not on lead and allowed to rush up to someone in the first place.

Add to this the erratic behaviour of the person in charge and the way the dog ran towards the officer, I’m not surprised they got shot.

If they were owned by someone reasonable with some common sense about having a large breed running around bothering strangers, especially knowing they are breed vilified that people clearly would be scared of then I bet the situation would have been completely avoided in the first place. The breed is also known for dog aggression- so why were they allowed to approach and terrify someone else’s on lead animal? I have a demonised breed and it’s my responsibility to make sure her behaviour is exemplary to avoid any accusations, this owner was a bloody idiot and the dog paid the price.

After the incident with the lady he should have taken account and apologised and discussed the problem like a rational person, by all accounts he did the opposite. If he had handed them over and they were assessed as the lovely dogs claimed then he could fight for them back at that point, at least they would have had a chance.

Finally, if you’ve ever seen a bull breed in attack mode you would not be keen for them to rush at and approach your dog. My friends quiet and submissive 50kg Labrador cross had its throat tore clean out and bled to death in her arms by a SBT who’s owners ran away and left her to it. Hers was on lead carrying its ball minding its own business. Her dog was on its back screaming and not once did the dog pause as it common with this breed, after all a fighting dog who stops when the opponent cries is not going to be very good at all. You can see why people are scared if one comes up regardless of its intentions, myself included.

Unfortunately these breeds have been ruined by being the breed of choice for arseholes and criminals therefore it’s not surprising that they are all tarred with the same brush.

The dogs didn't even belong to him. He was looking after them for a mate that's in prison.

@Becky12123 i agree with you the dogs weren't aggressive and no dog lunged at anyone it simply stepped forward not having a clue what was going on. But posters on here only see what they want to see. Apparently all xl's are aggressive and there's not a good one out there 🤷🏻‍♀️ 🤯

@shadowchancesassy Im not saying all bullies are bad but if you have a breed that intimidates people (as I do myself!) then you need to control it properly and ensure there isn’t a single thing someone could moan about or risk your dog being taken or destroyed. If you fail to do so then you can’t claim ignorance because the fault is your own.

You would think if you did own a scary looking dog then you would be aware that people will judge it so train it 1000 times more than someone with a poodle to prove the point. I love being able to walk past barking out of control tiny little dogs and feel good that mine is an advocate for it’s breed rather than adding to the problem, it’s a shame others who own breeds people are scared of don’t put as much effort in. I feel sad for the dogs because they had an owner who put them in that position instead of owning his mistake.

If everyone controlled their dogs, bullies or otherwise, there would be no cause for complaint in the first place so this would all be an unnecessary debate.

God, I'm a dog lover, and even I look at that video and see a man who might love his dogs, but has no boundaries or care for other humans and is happy to intimidate the general public by having his large dogs on seats on a train and no doubt telling anyone who asked him to move them to fuck off.

Definitely shoot the dogs then if the man has no boundaries. Completely fair.

All Bully XLs are huge muscular dogs with very, very powerful jaws. They are descended from fighting dogs which are renowned for hyper aggression and a method of relentless, merciless, attacks. They are inherently dangerous, due to their size and lineage. They should never have been created as a breed and should certainly never be near children.

I am a 14 stone, 6' 1" adult male and I think a Bully XL is more than capable of killing me if it chose to. A child would be ripped to shreds within a matter of seconds.

If you can't see the danger posed by such a dog, then you're clearly an unsuitable owner.

I genuinely hope you don't have any children in your home.

I'm much more scared of 14 stone, 6' 1" men.

That's fine, but back in the real world some dog nutter's love of his/her Bully XL doesn't negate the danger that dog poses to children and adults.

Men pose more of a problem to children and adults.

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Shall we agree that they both pose a threat?

You are completely missing the point here. The dogs did not do anything . There is no justification in shooting some dogs merely because they are a breed that you are scared of. If the dogs had attacked someone that is different - they did not . Please do get your facts right before being so judgemental

Watch the video. The first dog lunges towards the police and is shot. Should they have waiting until the dog clamped on to a leg?

Video of events.

Dog is off lead and lunges in attack mode towards the police. Dog is shot in the head with a shotgun. 🙀

https://twitter.com/desslr/status/1655689039519924224?s=20

@ThisOldThang there are lots of breeds on the same scale as bully's (Rottweilers, German shepherd's, husky's, akitas etc) yet they are more acceptable. Not everyone is scared of a bully, mine gets approached all the time by people wanted to stroke him and it's mostly people of 50. Not every bully is mistreated and aggressive, Jesus mine doesn't even bark! Infact I've just picked him up now from the groomers where he is very much adored by the girls in the shop. When I walked in he was behind the gate with 3 toy poodles and Lhasa apso 🤷🏻‍♀️ he's 50kg and 9 months old don't you think if he was a threat the girls there would tell me and refuse to have him back?

Any dog would bark or lunge at a bunch of scary police men surrounding them in an intimidating way. The dog was still on a lead. There was no justification for this . I get that people I’m this forum are scared of dogs but they need to look at the facts here . The dogs did not injure or attack anyone. They were chased, intimidated and then shot dead. End of . There’s lots of rubbish being posted in here too like the dog wasn’t his and he was a bad owner. Wheee the evidence for this exactly? Lots of judgy people in here. He’s a homeless man and they were his best friends. He clearly looked after them and he had them registered with Dogs on the street.

Most people over 50*

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Watch the video again, maybe at 0.25x speed.

The dog is being held by its collar. The man releases the dog's collar and it turns 180 degrees and lunges forwards towards the police. The lead is clearly loose on the floor.

At that point the dog was dangerously out of control and was shot by the police to avoid them being bitten.

I'm sorry you don't like your little fur babies being shot, but the police acted correctly.