Local election results

[KenAdams]

Is anyone following the local election results?

It's not looking good for the Tories is it?

I have a question if anyone can answer it for me - NW Leicestershire has been declared "hung" due to no majority. However, Labour have 18 seats and the Conservatives 12. How is that not considered a majority?

Exactly. “At least they know what a woman is …” is wearing very thin.

Not to mention that everything gender related that is ongoing now is happening under a Tory government.

It's like the Iraq war - everyone rightly blames Blair but conveniently forgets that the Tories enthusiastically supported him on it.* *

It really is. They are a bunch of nasty, xenophobic, corrupt grifters, but at least they know what a woman is!

Yep. Maria Miller started this whole self-id debacle in 2015. She's conservative.
It's a myth this is a labour plot.

https://www.parallelparliament.co.uk/mp/maria-miller/debate/2016-12-01/commons/commons-chamber/transgender-equality

The conservatives know what women are as they are keen to wring every ounce of free caring from us. They are not friends of women.

And Howard (the Tory leader at the time) said he’d have done exactly what Blair did.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

Tories don’t give a fuck about women either. So your choice is a party that don’t give a fuck about women and who are going to plunge many many women and children into poverty with limited access to healthcare or one that doesn’t give a fuck about women but might actually fix the current fuck up.

Sorry to break it to you but Self ID was Theresa May's policy announced in 2017. This whole trans shitshow happened under and because of the Tories.

Another one in their 50s who remembers the last labour government very well. #ToriesOut

then it's likely that the Conservatives will have to do a proper reorganisation and realign with what the core voters desire

@Reality25 you went on to say what I agree with but I thought it’s worth reiterating this point. The longer any political stripes have power without maintaining an equilibrium with electorate results in them attempting to sway public opinion - this lot in a particularly dangerously facist manner - to align with them rather than the other way around which is presumably the intention of a true democracy.

the tories are drained, there’s no guarantee another party would be necessarily ‘better’ but it’s subjective and currently we have a dangerous government showing too many signs of losing sight of control of the reaches their positions provide them with.

If the next GE passes up the opportunity to reign them back in we’re basically condoning absolute power and status onto our representatives in a way I don’t think would be popular as a policy.

Ancient type here with a clear memory of government stretching back to Heath. Indeed, once upon a time I used to vote Tory. I'm not under any illusions about Labour, but there is absolutely nothing that they ever did in government that was remotely comparable to the mess we have endured over the last 13 years. What I want now is a government and a Prime Minister with some fundamental principles, and KS's track record shows that he has those. Though I agree that unless he loses his illusions about Brexit he won't get too far in mending the economy.

So what exactly have the Tories done over 13 years in power to promote the interests of women?

KS, is a complete waste of space. At the very least the need a more credible Leader.

I don't understand what this means.

As DPP he did a lot to improve rates of sexual assault convictions and protect vulnerable victims

Hes turned the labour party from a crowd of infighting zealots under Corbyn, to a unified party with a progressive agenda representing a broad spectrum of left of centre views

He has dealt decisively with antisemitism

I don't think that's a "waste of space"

Personally at this point I'd much rather have competent than charismatic

Give me dull and competent over charisma but chaotic anyday

Though I agree that unless he loses his illusions about Brexit he won't get too far in mending the economy

I’m not fully convinced by KS just yet but I do appreciate the fact that he’s balancing a still sizeable fracture within the country regarding benefits/drawbacks around brexit. Siding an argument against it and highlighting the truths just provides ammunition to a population still very open to using attack as the best form of defence against the consequences of what is blatantly a decision that has sizeable pitfalls with unpopular consequences. There’s no political party I’ve come across prepared to broach that one.

I’m interested in how he can manage brexit fall out and think he’s got a good chance of deescalating the automatic bristles that rise up whenever mitigating issues is raised.

Oh STOP IT!

Thank you for not voting Tory 🙏

I admire your optimism.

I don't feel that I have to answer that question, because what I said about what's going on with Labour right now does not automatically imply that the Tories have done anything to promote women's interests.
I don't think in those black and white terms.

My vote at local elections will be entirely different at major UK election.
So using me as a small anecdotal example, I wouldn't get too excited yet.

And I certainly won't be voting for anyone unless they will catagorically protects may daughters.

I don’t think Labour should be celebrating just yet. Historic levels of low turnout - if keir starmer was really cutting through these results should be much much higher than they are but the reality is he isn’t and many people are turned off. I spoiled my ballot yesterday - and know many others who feel politically homeless. Based on these results it will be a hung parliament at best.

They certainly haven't done anything for women in the past 13 years. As well as introducing Self ID, putting rapists into women's prisons and hospital wards, the Tories have practically decriminalised rape in the UK.

Historic levels of low turnout

Hopefully when the Tories are voted out, the voter ID bill will be revoked allowing more people to vote.

Tbh it sounds to me like you’re skirting around the edges of ‘they’re all the same; there’s no point/I spoil my ballot’ trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility or engagement in the political system.

To be honest in return, far from skirting round the edges, yes, I am feeling pretty politically homeless.
As for your views about my responsibility and my engagement in the political system, they are based on nothing more than a few sentences, knowing nothing of my political history throughout my fairly long life.