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The best work advice you ever got

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SunsetBeauregarde · 27/04/2023 08:44

I’ve just come through a tricky couple of days at work, but got through it due to a mumsnet thread and some golden nuggets of advice I got from a brilliant manager in the past. I thought I’d pay forward the kindness I got on my thread and start a new one for the best advice you ever got at work:

Never begin a difficult conversation on the same day you realised the need for one.

Never enter a negotiation without a clear idea of the outcome you want.

Never ‘meet them half way’ - reduce your offer in gradually reducing increments, never more than 10% at a time.

Never make yourself a threat. Work with your opponent never against them. ‘Us’ is much easier to sell than ‘me vs you’

Make your opponent feel ahead of a problem, not behind it. They are more likely to offer a resolution if they feel like they’re creating a ‘near miss’. ‘Let’s work out how to stop this becoming a problem’ is much more motivating to come to the table than ‘this is a problem, what are you going to do about it?’

OP posts:
Tara336 · 20/08/2023 18:50

Never make a snap decision always sleep on it.

If you have a tough letter or email to write do it the. Hold on to it and read again the next day to make sure your happy with what you said

BLT24 · 20/08/2023 18:57

Never try to change nor tolerate a toxic manager

GoingInsaneAhhh · 20/08/2023 19:07

Treat everyone the same, even though you may not get on, as you never know when you have to ask for their help

you are only a number to the company. They can get rid of you at any point. They don't care

best ways to get a pay-rise- 1) ask, 2) if no, look for another job.

DollyParsons · 20/08/2023 19:15

Love this thread.
Can't remember how exactly it was phrased but it was along the lines of "don't give 100% all the time", so you have something in reserve when the pressure really hits. For context - this was in 90s city law firm, brutal hours for trainees . Hope things have improved a bit since then.

Someaddedsugar · 20/08/2023 19:47

@DollyParsons I was given very similar advice by my (brilliant) manager when I was close to burnout a few years ago and she was so right!

megletthesecond · 20/08/2023 19:51

Keep really good notes. Ie; waiting for X to get back to me / issue with this process, have reported it / dropped the ball on this but have apologised to customer and flagged to team leader.
Basically, cover your back, in a good way.

coodawoodashooda · 20/08/2023 20:12

Robin233 · 27/04/2023 13:47

@SunsetBeauregarde

Never begin a difficult conversation on the same day you realised the need for one.

Never enter a negotiation without a clear idea of the outcome you want.

Never ‘meet them half way’ - reduce your offer in gradually reducing increments, never more than 10% at a time.

Never make yourself a threat. Work with your opponent never against them. ‘Us’ is much easier to sell than ‘me vs you’

Make your opponent feel ahead of a problem, not behind it. They are more likely to offer a resolution if they feel like they’re creating a ‘near miss’. ‘Let’s work out how to stop this becoming a problem’ is much more motivating to come to the table than ‘this is a problem, what are you going to do about it?’

WOW
Thank you for this.
Just what I needed to hear at this very moment!!

Yeah. These are brilliant!

Northernladdette · 21/08/2023 08:12

Never accept a target where you’re having to rely on others in order to achieve it.

Don’t trust anyone.

Ohyousillydivvy · 21/08/2023 08:29

Don't be afraid to dismiss a poor performing trainee even after providing them with lots of help during their probationary period. Making them permanent will make matters worse, don't be afraid to get rid of people when required. Take the emotion out and concentrate on the facts before you.

OdeToBarney · 21/08/2023 08:34

DollyParsons · 20/08/2023 19:15

Love this thread.
Can't remember how exactly it was phrased but it was along the lines of "don't give 100% all the time", so you have something in reserve when the pressure really hits. For context - this was in 90s city law firm, brutal hours for trainees . Hope things have improved a bit since then.

They haven't. Trainees are still regularly working days on end without going home, or sleeping under their desks (magic circle firm). It's completely batshit and I'm not sure how the industry gets away with it.

Whatliesbeneath707 · 21/08/2023 09:04

Be honest & admit any mistakes
Try to see things from the other person's perspective
Leave work at work.

LaMaG · 21/08/2023 09:30

Remember we all train people how to treat us. If you let X treat you as a pushover Y will follow as they'll think you won't mind.

I also firmly believe that any job teaches you life skills, even if its not the job or role you want. If you feel trapped try to see what the underlying skills are and see it as a learning curve. I learned more about time management working as a cleaner when I was a student, I learned more about customer service as a waitress than in any later "career" jobs.

Oblomov23 · 21/08/2023 09:33

Reading with interest.

Words · 21/08/2023 10:18

As soon as you can afford to, outsource as many domestic tasks as possible. Get a cleaner.
Get enough sleep.

PresentPrincess1 · 22/08/2023 21:00

Such a lovely, positive thread Smile

WeCanAlwaysJustStayIn · 22/08/2023 21:23

When upset get a trusted friend to read your email, do not send it, send it the next day after reading it out loud to yourself.

Or even better just delete it.

Possiblynotever · 23/08/2023 07:03

OdeToBarney · 21/08/2023 08:34

They haven't. Trainees are still regularly working days on end without going home, or sleeping under their desks (magic circle firm). It's completely batshit and I'm not sure how the industry gets away with it.

It gets away with it because there is a cultural problem in society that finds it acceptable and an element of pride. Have you got what it takes and all that madness...it trains you to become highly technical, very cynical and a money grabber.
Burn out is over the corner.
Some people manage to be unaffected, I hope you are one of them.

Beersinshropshire · 23/08/2023 07:12

maddy68 · 27/04/2023 12:51

No one ever thinks to themselves in their deathbed "I wish I had worked a bit harder"

Lots of people live their latter lives thinking this, as they struggle in poverty. They probably think it on their death bed too.

This quote should be, ‘no one who worked hard enough to have a comfortably affluent life, wishes on their death bed that they had worked harder for a luxuriously affluent life’.

thecatsthecats · 23/08/2023 08:20

Update your CV annually. And test it in the market. You don't have to take another job, or even attend an interview, but find out what you're worth.

AnneElliott · 23/08/2023 08:26

I really love this thread. Lots of good advice here.

Mine is 'Never put anything in writing that you wouldn't want to see on the front of the Daily Mail' I think it's our civil service mantra!

BingandSulaandFlop · 23/08/2023 10:23

Lots of people advising swallow the frog, but that's not what I do. I try to get some quick wins under my belt first thing in the morning, then when I have ticked a few things off the list I have the confidence to tackle the frog. Figure out how you work best and do that.

OdeToBarney · 23/08/2023 12:09

Possiblynotever · 23/08/2023 07:03

It gets away with it because there is a cultural problem in society that finds it acceptable and an element of pride. Have you got what it takes and all that madness...it trains you to become highly technical, very cynical and a money grabber.
Burn out is over the corner.
Some people manage to be unaffected, I hope you are one of them.

Fortunately I am. It wasn't my first rodeo, so I was able to view things with a healthy dose of skepticism, unlike my starry-eyed colleagues. I got out as fast as I could once qualified!

Bumply · 23/08/2023 13:24

Nothing (work related) is worth losing your mental health over. If it's got that bad move on (said from bitter experience of not following my own advice soon enough)

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