JonBenét Ramsey.

[Chateaulaohshit]

Im watching The Casting of JonBenét on Netflix and had no idea how much information I didn’t know about the case but also all the different set of scenarios that may have lead to her death.

It doesn’t seem that anyone was ever charged despite some really disturbing evidence and behaviours of people closed to her…

what does everyone else think happed?

Sorry what? I am saying that the ransom note was written by JonBennet's mother. Why would she do that unless she was trying to cover up the murder? Why would she write a ransom note to herself? The only explanation is that the murder was committed by either her, her husband or their son.

We ALL probably have DNA under our fingernails that doesn't match anyone in our households.

Re the ransom note - were the false starts actually just left for the police to find? I mean, rookie mistake 😳 Or were they removed and found later, does anyone know?

Just looking at the Dr Phil interview with the brother, his permanent smile disconcerting.

I don't believe anyone deliberately murdered JonBenet. I believe she died as the result of an accident, probably a late-night argument with her brother as they were both in the kitchen eating pineapple when the parents thought they had gone to bed. Or, that Patsy, frazzled by the holiday events and trying to pack for an early-morning cross-country move to their vacation home, snapped and slapped JonBenet for another soiling incident, and JonBenet hit her head on something, and died.

What I DO believe was deliberate was the cover-up. They were just too image conscious, too fanatical about prestige, images, etc., to be exposed as a dysfunctional family or to let their child Burke go through the wringer as even an accidental killer. I believe that Patsy put the elements of cover-up in place and by the time John came down and realized what was happening, the train was gaining speed and he just acquiesced. Clearly reluctantly.

That they were trying to jet out of town, that he was heard by a police officer exhorting their pilot to get ready to fly out of town (until the officers stopped that) when their child was lying cold on the floor next to their Christmas tree, shows a guilty mind. What innocent parent would leave their child's death scene for someplace 1,000 miles away within hours of her "attempted kidnapping" rather than stay on the scene and urge the police investigation onward?

There are just so many telling elements. The blanket over the child; only a person close to a victim does that. The attempt at a garotte to cover up the true cause of death. (The "sexual assault" evidence could easily have been a combination of nappy rash due to her soiling/wetting and self-exploration).

Burke has probably repressed the memory and convinced himself he was not responsible. I think it Patsy had lived she would have eventually slipped but took the secret to her grave and we can see John is not the type.

I really could curse those stupid police officers who failed to take elementary steps to separate the family members, keep the crime scene clean, call for expert assistance and not be bowled over by wealth and a stately house.

Read the Ramsay's book, "Death of Innocence," and you'll get what I mean about their mentality. Every single page drips with narcissism, an obsession with public image, and drama.

Completely relate to this!

Incredibly tragic

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/04/us/full-text-of-a-ransom-note-is-disclosed-in-ramsey-case.html?unlocked_article_code=R_8HR34KZgK9oyYaXSdN3i_85fjKEYmcNsNrDRIieEcMfEe2HsPmpCk5oHoORJ30ZreGKwf7qnljkkFoKLAHwFUqvw91x0jo7TnMwTU6W8ouDpu-flsf13PvnQehUOJs7ZtRgN6cGJihcq6k69XX7jBOUBy2bs8wjPLaRjBZxlFL17TpqiNtHf9w7EQDQUdLUIO8WpF3S6j6TvQjkYzwOLjZY7VzZKlJjwM2CfA6P6eRt4sMkmlOCXGEZJ2X4jsyP0BA_J0xBAGyOMNGkDNIskmRuFPz69LZ1EnpwWFfjmhXGDP_p6K8mb9eTPqm-zhEmECTFeIbORvyS91k7x38BE_99HNrLtrB_46HsHtJSY0jh99Kv2FzV1a4fQ&giftCopy=1_CurrentCopy&smid=url-share

I think, most telling, was that the ransom note stated they would call at 10am with instructions on how to get their daughter back.

When no call came, neither parent noticed.

Sorry - I’m just trying to understand.

You’re saying the ransom note(s) were written by JB’s Mum. Now while that seems highly likely, has it actually been proven?

If it was written by her (again, has this been proven?), then of course, it 100% implicates her.

But if it hasn’t been proven, and there is a possibility someone else wrote it, then it’s still an open case.

Your assertion relies on us 100% accepting JB’s mother wrote the note, and as I’m not as close as some to this case, I don’t know whether that’s true or not.

If it is true and has been proven, then yes I agree with you.

Exactly!!!

This.
Wasn't there a document claiming marks on Jonbenets face matches that of a stun gun, and photos of the interior of the house showed the beds immaculately made apart from the bottom of one, which could have been because someone hid underneath it?

Anyone who thinks an 'intruder' wrote that ransom letter is just daft. Plain and simple. The most obvious conclusion is mostly the right one.

Absent a video of her writing the note, or witnesses, it cannot be "proven." Handwriting analysis is not an exact science.

She was not cleared in the initial analysis. I believe they went back to her four times for additional samples and still were unable to clear her as the writer of the note. Others all were cleared immediately. Not to mention the actual contents of the note, which again corresponded with Patsy traits and experiences.

What killer is going to leisurely sit around writing and re-writing a note on someone else's stationery when a dead body is cooling nearby? They would have been getting as far away and as fast away as possible. Unless they lived there and had to account for a corpse in the house.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/handwriting-expert-says-jonbenet-ramseys-mum-patsy-wrote-the-ransom-note-found-at-murder-scene/IGZM7I43JX2YLLPDOSWCRH3RSM/

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/news/a63888/fbi-investigators-jonbenet-ramsey-ransom-note-staged/

An intruder would not spend 20
Minutes inside the house writing a ransom note on paper and a pen from the house risking getting caught. C'mon.......

The family (or at least the parents) know what happened. Probably accidental but it happened and the cover up began and ran and ran ...... if you apply critical thinking to all the elements a reasonable person cannot reach any other conclusion. Cases like this frustrate the hell out of me.

Jeffrey Macdonald killed his wife and children....Michael Peterson killed his wife on The Staircase.....jonbenet died in her own house through a familial event.....

zelda Interesting, and I agree that scenario is the most likely of the "they did it"s. I take on board and agree with all the logic of PPs below. But for me -

If Burke - he was only 9, they COULD have admitted an accident and it would have been ironed out. An awful event, but surely preferable to the alternative of staging a note, a kidnap and brutal crime scene, and the subsequent lifelong charade which plagued Burke anyway. It's so stupidly unnecessary I can't believe someone as smart as John would go along with it. Yet he was up and about when the 911 call set the wheels in motion.

If Patsy - I just don't buy an otherwise loving mother kills their child for bed-wetting, accidentally or otherwise. Burke during his interview stated that Patsy was never violent. John would have to be pretty callous to stage and act out that crime scene discovery, just to protect the woman who killed his child. Maybe he is.

But even if I accept all the above, I keep going back to - why the long-winded personalized note that ONLY implicates them? It's stupid. And no matter how narcissistic Patsy was, John continues to speculate on TV even after her death. Why, when he knows deep down there is no killer out there? That goes well beyond narcissism, or playing along. It would actually make him quite evil.

So I still lean towards not the Ramseys. I wonder if it was some predatory oddball who vaguely knew them and seized on the open house to plot something in advance (hence the note being written in a familiar way, and the time taken in writing it). And the finger of blame points to Patsy because of the pageants, and the fact she was so vain and somewhat unlikable.

I haven't studied the case and have no credentials but that's just my gut feel. I could be well off it! It's all very weird.

Missing the point I know, but the photos that typically accompany articles relating to poor JonBenet's death are rather disturbing. Depicting her in full make-up and showgirl costumes, primped and posing, I think they encourage us to forget that the child-woman we see before us was only six years old. Here are two photos of her as a normal little girl to balance the beauty pageant ones.

All of this. Far-fetched alternative explanations just don't hold up.

If Burke - he was only 9, they COULD have admitted an accident and it would have been ironed out. An awful event, but surely preferable to the alternative of staging a note, a kidnap and brutal crime scene, and the subsequent lifelong charade which plagued Burke anyway. It's so stupidly unnecessary I can't believe someone as smart as John would go along with it. Yet he was up and about when the 911 call set the wheels in motion.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh. I feel like I am screaming into a void here.

MOST people would say "well, the authorities will deal with him fairly and he will get treatment and go on to lead a decent life. We must be honest at all costs."

As I keep saying, it is the unique mentality of the Ramseys that makes this a unique case. they were psychologically incapable of doing that, intellect notwithstanding, because of their extreme, extreme obsession with public image, approbation and status.

Just read their book. You will see what I mean. Logic does not apply in their world.

And ... they did get away with it, did they not??

Are/were child pageant pics looked upon well in America today or back then?

Are you entirely all right?

I have never listened to a podcast on this case. I have followed this case most probably longer than you have been alive. I have read books whose authors have had access to not only the evidence put before the Grand Jury but first person accounts from investigators who worked on the case, and who have interviewed the leading forensic pathologists, etc etc etc. I trust them more than an angry and extremely rude woman who calls the GJ - convened to see if there was a case with persons to indict and who indeed indicted the Ramseys, but were ignored - a "trial".

I am not misinterpreting podcasts, this information is within the police reports and court transcripts.

You are misinterpeting the information in the court transcripts you have read regarding DNA.

Please don't address me again.

I'm not sure. I think they are/were popular in some of the southern states, but to me (as a British person) they seem quite strange. Hopefully an American MNetter will be along to explain more about them.

I did read and understand what you said. That's your take on their book, and how you assume they'd then act. For them both to be that insanely, stupidly narcissistic seems as unlikely as some nutter breaking in and committing murder. That's my opinion, no need to get stressed!

As to getting away with it, who knows. If it was just a Burke accident, then Patsy and John have paid a pretty high price. If it was Patsy, then Burke and John sure have.

With regard to the ransom note, there are several possibilities:

There are those who believe an intruder murdered JonBenet, think the intruder was hiding in the house while they were at the party and planned to assault and/or take JB when they were asleep, and wrote the note before it all happened.

Those who believe Patsy snapped and killed JB accidentally, and staged the coverup of a sexual assault to hide it, and wrote that note.

Those who believe that Burke snapped and killed JB accidentally, and then his mother (or his mother and father) staged the crime scene, and his mother wrote the note to protect him and their family from shame.

Those who believe that John Ramsey killed his daughter to silence her from revealing that he had been sexually abusing her (or that he accidentally killed her when he tried to silence her scream as he further assaulted her) and then told Patsy he'd knocked her head and accidentally killed her, and convinced her to write the ransom note to protect him.

Those who believe that John killed his daughter and sat there and copied Patsy's handwriting and wrote the ransom note himself to implicate her, and various others, putting the suspicion away from himself.

I've not seen it put forward, but it is in the realm of possibility, but unlikely, that Burke accidentally killed his sister in a sudden fit of rage, dragged her to the cellar, staged the crime scene, and wrote that overblown note.

Whoever wrote the note was probably wearing gloves, as there were oddly no fingerprints on it.

The intruder seems the least likely to me, but the known facts of the case and the notion of him waiting in the house prior make it also plausible.

I was about to say similar. You cannot call anyone a murderer based on your opinion, even on the Internet. It's libellous.