If Labour win the next GE, what will they do better?

[CandleInTheStorm]

To be fair, I think any party could do better than the current shit show government we have now.

But I keep hearing people say, "Don't vote Tory," ok, I get why, but that leaves the assumption they mean vote Labour instead. I've never been a Labour voter (and I didn't vote Tory last time because I couldn't stand BJ), so what is it they will do better if they win next time?

I don't mean what they did/didn't do last time or further back in the past, I mean, what will they do better this time, that's a realistic possibility? (I mean, anyone can say they'll pump billions into the NHS, but how would that actually realistically be able to happen, for example?)

but that leaves the assumption they mean vote Labour instead.

Other parties are available. In some areas, voting Labour wouldn't be voting for the main challenger to the Tory, so if your main priority is that the Tory doesn't get in, you should look up the voting results for your area.

I agree OP.
I am in Wales. We are under Labour
It's a catastrophic shit show.

So I shouldn't vote Tory, I don't want Labour. ...so who does that leave? Realistically?

I live in a safe Tory seat area, my local MP is a dinosaur who I'd never vote for! Last time I voted Greens, the choices weren't good!

Exactly. I'm not sure what Labour would do that's any better. It's just a decade or so on, decade or so off for each main party to fuck it up in their own way.

As a starter, do you think that Labour would come into power, promise a load of tax cuts, cause the market to crash, then double down by announcing further tax cuts and then disappear for a week while the economy collapses, meaning that your mortgage is now way more expensive?

Do you think Labour would do that?

You do understand that Wales doesn't have a devolved government, is reliant on central government funding and that Labour only hold half of the 40 Welsh constituencies?

Liz Truss was an idiot, I don't think anyone would agree on what she did. I've no idea if Labour would do that? Probably not. But then I doubt Boris Johnson would do that either. I think that example is unique to Liz Trust who, like I say, was an idiot.

It doesn't really tell me what Labour would do that's better next time?

I'm sure Labour will win.

I'm just as sure they will be as shit as Tories, just in different ways.

I don't think Labour will do anything better OP. They're all hot air - they'll spend the next 4 years (if they win) blaming everything on the Tories (why break the habit of a lifetime, haha).

I hate the thought of it, but I think I'll spoil my vote.

OP, I don't know if they would do anything better, but I do know that they are not controlled by right wing media, haven't aligned themselves with far right nutjobs in other countries, and don't all come from old money. So on that basis alone, they are a better bet for the UK. It makes no odds to me as the only party who have a chance against my shithead tory mp is Lib Dem, and that's how I will be voting.

On the surface very little will change, after all it is the civil service who really run country. Probably the biggest change would be more tax taken from your pay packet.

There would no doubt be the odd gaffe and scandal but nowhere near the borderline trolling the tories are inflicting on us at the moment.

At the last election the tories had the following things working in their favour

Boris
Brexit
Corbyn
Perception of fiscal responsibility

With these all now gone they need to whip up some new election battle lines. Expect some experimentation with differing cultural war arguments and the classical reliable safe and tested hard-line stance on immigration.

You're going to see a lot of talk about womens and lgbt rights. The left will back themselves into a corner trying to appeal to all and leaving nobody behind. This creates opportunity for the right to crowbar a problem in, create anger, present a 'common sense' solution only they can use because the left is to busy trying to be everyone's friend.

The tories at the moment have to defend:

Crashing the economy with Liz Truss
Covid Party's
Endless lobbying and MP cash scandals
Brexit problems coming home to roost
The world has ignored the UK since Brexit
Inappropriate sexual behaviour and cover ups
Owen Paterson
Gavin Williamson
Strikes
Tory Donors in positions of power
Cost of living - record profits from energy providers
Inflation
Bullying allegations (Raab, Patel, Williamson)
Matt Hancock
Suella Braverman
Rishi has no charisma

They're screwed, they're so mired in sleaze it's going to be a repeat of 1997 again. Labour won't 'win' the election with any meaningful mandate, they'll just look less self-serving and get in that way.

Liz Truss was an idiot, I don't think anyone would agree on what she did. I've no idea if Labour would do that?

Liz Truss was a Tory Prime Minister elected by the Conservative Party to run the country. Presumably they had some idea that she was an idiot during the electoral campaign because she said what her plans were. Tax cuts for the rich were why the right wing press supported her.

And you're not sure if Labour would do that? Do you have any idea of the different stances of the two parties?

You cut off some of my quote. I said "Would Labour do that? Probably not."

They have promised to freeze council tax for a year. There can't be as much sleeper & fiddling as there has been with the Tories. What they are promising about stopping the non dom status will bring more money in to the public purse & the fact that everything they are promising is fully costed, if they only keep half their promises they will be better than the Conservatives, let's face it after Liz Truss nearly bankrupting the country in 24 hours anything will be better.

It's quite depressing isn't it. Just replacing one shit government of the time to one slightly less shit government of the time.

If you think that the answer to 'would Labour crash the economy with tax cuts for the rich?' Is "Probably not"

Then perhaps you need to do a little more research?

Hence why I'm asking the question by starting a thread? At the moment I'm a floating voter, so if someone could actually say what it is labour would do better then I might be persuaded. "They are better than the Tories" isn't an answer.

I think that they would tackle the energy companies and try to reduce our costs. I think they would tax higher earners more and try to funnel more into education that way [and I'm afraid I'm in favour of them taking away private schools' charitable status, though I'm aware that's not popular on MNet.] I think that they would tackle the water companies and address our filthy waterways. I am hopeful that they would look for better relations and communications with Europe, though wish they would be more assertive about this. As for what they wouldn't do - I don't think that they would keep channelling billions of public money to their friends and donors. That alone would really help the public finances. It's not a ringing endorsement but it's a hell of a lot better than what we've had for the last 13 long and leaden years.

I like the idea of them tackling the energy companies to reduce costs.

I actually think Labour will be a lot better than 'slightly less shit'. They have some very good front benchers and some very good constituency mps. They seem to be trying to appeal to all and sundry atm, which is a mistake imo. But you have to take into account that they get very little positive press because the UK media is so incredibly right wing, so they are constantly battling against a headwind that the tories simply sail in front of. Just listen to LBC for a day and you'll see how different Ferrari's spin is to O'Brien's or Fogarty's.

Yes, but I said they wouldn't crash the economy with tax cuts for the rich, you then asserted that was a Liz Truss problem as if Liz Truss wasn't a Tory Prime Minister voted for by Tories and therefore a Tory issue.

There is literally no guarantee that a Tory government wouldn't try that shit again. They are all about tax cuts for the rich. Liz Truss is currently out there arguing that the problem wasn't her tax cuts but the woke markets. Kwasi Kwarteng is talking about a return to cabinet. Don't forget a large portion of them would have Boris back as PM in a heartbeat.

Liz Truss isn't a lone idiot in an otherwise decent party.

OK so we've established this government are shit, but I said that in my op. This isn't a Tory vs Labour thread. It's a "What will Labour do to make things better if they win the next GE" thread.

What will Labour do to make things better

That's a different question to 'what will they do better' which was what you originally asked.

Oh gosh yes, the spin 🙄 I might be better off looking at their manifesto and deciding for myself. Although the debates amongst leaders were interesting before.

I think people get the gist... 😶