If Labour win the next GE, what will they do better?

[CandleInTheStorm]

To be fair, I think any party could do better than the current shit show government we have now.

But I keep hearing people say, "Don't vote Tory," ok, I get why, but that leaves the assumption they mean vote Labour instead. I've never been a Labour voter (and I didn't vote Tory last time because I couldn't stand BJ), so what is it they will do better if they win next time?

I don't mean what they did/didn't do last time or further back in the past, I mean, what will they do better this time, that's a realistic possibility? (I mean, anyone can say they'll pump billions into the NHS, but how would that actually realistically be able to happen, for example?)

It would have been interesting to see how they would have run things had they won the 2010 GE when the country had no money from the global crash and the previous government bleeding the finances dry over the years.

Well that posters could answer those questions if the Labour Party could. And the Labour party absolutely should be able to answer questions about their strategic vision for the country at this stage. Tony Blair did when he was in opposition. Labour don't have a vision. That's why no-one can tell you what it is and why they are resorting to smear campaigns.

I don’t know, but as a teacher I had the best of my career under Labour. I’m holding out for this again - a time where I felt more respected, Sure Start centres meant children had a better start in life etc. I’m not sure that means much to the MN demographic but I was born into a deprived area of the country, never left and now teach there - Labour policies are better for the children who live where I do. And no, their parents aren’t just all sitting around fagging it in doorsteps.

I know I find it baffling. Maybe a few years ago knowledge self Id would be some niche thing but now? It's all over the news.

I'm not sure I can see Labour winning. If anyone it'll probably be Lib Dems. This seems to be the choice for people who don't like either in my area of London.

This is it, you'd hope the Labour Party, or any other party, wouldn't just decide who they are, what they stand for and their strategic vision for the country only in the run up to the GE. That's surely in lamens' terms called "winging it" to win to election. Saying "but the other party do this, that, and other" isn't a reason to vote for your party.

The one and only time I voted Lib Dem we got a coalition.

@MrsMurphyIWish I think that's the case for most of their voters tbh. Tories ran a really good campaign under Boris and I'm not surprised they won. The issue is a lot of people now feel politically homeless and Lib Dems seem to be the better of the choices. All of which seem quite inadequate given the state of the country.
The reality is, whatever party is in power, there is far too much back and forth and not enough work actually done. It's shocking someone can be in charge of something like immigration policies without having any qualifications for it. Once in power, it feels like these parties don't have enough time to make actual changes as the next GE comes around quicker than they can undo the issues caused by previous parties. It'll take a lot longer than 4 hears to undo 20 years of financial cuts and complete lack of investment. I don't think the next party will do anything better than the one that's currently desperate to be kept in their seat. The Tories current policies are the most left wing they've probably ever had. It's like Labour lite.

I am not a fan of any party fwiw so my opinion isn't really based on any preference. It is just a massive shame that the UK is starting to look like Europe's poor cousin. Previously lovely towns are shadows of themselves, and I don't mean just the dying high streets. That's a worldwide problem.

Well at least when Labour spent public money our public services were in much better shape. Our national debt is bigger than ever under the Tories and there's precious little evidence that they've done anything to invest in education, transport, infrastructure, NHS, youth services, etc etc At present we're quite badly hit with taxes and see no returns except for the likes of Michelle Mone getting lots of money. I'd happily increase my taxes if I knew I could get a GP's appt within a day and not have to pay for a private appointment.

I agree about the time to enact policies. I actually didn’t think the Tory/Lib dem coalition was too bad and I didn’t mind Cameron as a PM (hated Gove) - life after Brexit just seems worse though for me personally.

I like Kier Starmer, he seems a breath of fresh air but is that because I’m conspiring him to sleaze of today?

Tbh, at this point we need to make sure our public services get back to the point they were in 2011. I don’t think that can happen under a Tory gov.

*comparing

Labour would work to put the NHS right, they'd reform the benefits system and make home care more accessible, cheaper and a lot of it free.

That's not bad for starters.

The coalition wasn't too bad I agree. Universal free school meals and The School Food Plan were introduced during that government which was good for children. The sleaze really began with Boris imo and people fell for his goofball act!

There are respected and proven economic theories that favour government spending because it generates work and people then have more spending power. It also means that public services improve.

National budgets are not like domestic budgets in spite of what grocer Thatcher tried to say.

Spending more of taxpayers' money might be a sound policy rather than the negative concept that the Tories keep trying to convince us it is.

The Tories have made a total pig's ear of the economy and harbour in their midst total nutters like Truss. They are also morally empty - that greatly concerns me.

I agree that KS lacks charisma, but he does not seem corrupt and shallow. I can live without charisma, but can no longer tolerate the integrity-free-zone that is the Tory party.

@CandleInTheStorm Boris didn't have very long before COVID came did he? I'm not defending him but I genuinely don't think any party would've done things that much differently in those circumstances. Their spending during COVID was basically Labour levels. The country became a socialists wet dream.
The contracts I can't imagine any party doing that much different. People criticise it but in that situation, when you're under so much pressure, I can't imagine a politician not choosing someone they already know. That's how it all works unfortunately which is why I hate them all.
I am really not defending any of them, but I genuinely don't think the COVID show would've looked that much different under any other party, esp Labour.

It is more what won't happen if the Tories are not re-elected next year, than what will be done.

@Dodgeitornot any other Prime Minister than Boris Johnson (Jeremy Hunt or Jeremy Corbyn as examples) would have done a better Covid response, because they would have acted sooner in March 2020.

@LlynTegid I'm not sure that's true tbh. It's impossible to know and there's lots of criticism of lockdowns now anyway. The damage they caused vs the benefit gained etc. It was a lose lose situation whatever he had decided and I'm not sure it's fair to judge any leader on their response to the very early stages of the pandemic.

If Labour do come to power in the next GE but don’t deliver what they promised, then what do we do?

Politicians of any party will say anything to get your vote, then make excuses when they can’t deliver

Will be interesting come the GE😳

You could say that about the last 13 years though and no-one holds the Tories accountable, there’s always an excuse.

You think labour would have gas lighted over the care home policy?

Gave their cronies infinite money in ppe faile track and trace

Partied?

Not shut the airports? Debatable

Gone on I am a celebrity due to narcissism

Ok then. 🙄

If they did the papers and the Tory media would make sure they never heard the end of it. They still go on about the 70s all the time as a dystopian hell (and the Tories were in for half that decade, it wasn't all Labour).

@RoyGBivisacolorfulman I really don't mean for this to be a this party Vs this party debate. I don't even vote. My opinion is completely separate to any party loyalty.
The truth is they all have cronies within them. I genuinely do think Labour would've easily done those things and I think you're a little naive if you don't.
Some of the things you listed wouldn't have been much help if done differently anyway.
The airport situation was a shambles worldwide. The PPE thing was the same. In that situation I'm sure most parties would've gone with someone they know and trust. That's the depressing nature of politics. I don't know about the care homes but given Labours track history it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same. They are gaslighting people about what a woman is now.
Parties weren't an early pandemic thing but I still think other political parties would've done the same. I don't think the I'm a celeb thing is a reflection of the party. They weren't exactly ok with it and he had to leave.
I really don't have any skin in the game, I don't support either of them. I think they're all quite depressingly inept and this country is really suffering because of it.

I agree the country is suffering.

Naive about care homes etc though. Ask people that losy loved ones. This is a proven disgrace.

Would labour have had a party? Possibly.

Money wasted on ppe ? Well maybe yes wasted but not to the tory level of cronyism.

Not saying it wasn't hard or any country got it right.

There is much more but doubt that labour would have done much worse. Gosh I could have done better myself. That's worrying.

The Tories just need to campaign hard on women's rights and they have a chance.

I don't think we can argue over who should have done what at the beginning of the pandemic because it was completely unprecedented ground. It's easy to say well they should have done this/labour would have done that, etc, but isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!