If Labour win the next GE, what will they do better?

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To be fair, I think any party could do better than the current shit show government we have now.

But I keep hearing people say, "Don't vote Tory," ok, I get why, but that leaves the assumption they mean vote Labour instead. I've never been a Labour voter (and I didn't vote Tory last time because I couldn't stand BJ), so what is it they will do better if they win next time?

I don't mean what they did/didn't do last time or further back in the past, I mean, what will they do better this time, that's a realistic possibility? (I mean, anyone can say they'll pump billions into the NHS, but how would that actually realistically be able to happen, for example?)

I think back to the expenses scandle where politicians from lots of parties, including Labour, were discovered to be claiming things or manipulating circumstances to claim expenses wrongfully. They might not all be liars, but even the most perceived "decent" politicians get caught with their pants down (quite literally).

@RoyGBivisacolorfulman I'm not saying that the care home situation wasn't awful. I know it was and I know many lost their lives needlessly. I'm just saying that it's impossible to know if Labour would've done anything differently. I can see them and any other party doing the same. They just want to rile people and blame others so that you vote for them. It's as old as democracy.

I'm not sure financially we'd be any better off with Labour during lockdown though. I think Rishi did quite well and the dodgy contracts have happened under every party and will continue to happen. Labour is not short of their own controversies but they will understandably look smaller in the context of the Tories current leadership. There's a reason why Tories won last election though and that's because Boris ran a good campaign and Labour was so so bad.
It's quite scary how quickly Labour are willing to erase women from history just to dodge an uncomfortable conversation and as pp have said, this may well lose them the GE. They remind me of those managers that are very much yes yes, but no backbone.
It's depressing all around. It's imperfect people trying to lead increasingly more inept cabinets.

I would never vote for Labour, and can't imagine they would do anything different. The opposition always say lots of stuff they cannot or will not do if they actually get into power, so what they say now is all bollocks (as for all parties). One thing that will definitely be worse will be the rights of women and girls.

The women's rights, or lack of, will likely be the reason they don't get my vote tbh.

I don't want the Tories again. But just seen the dreaded Angela Rayner on TV.Not sure if I'll vote Labour either.

I think they'd work a bit harder to narrow the gap between rich and poor and make society fairer.

I would expect them to deal with the housing crisis.

I'm expecting to get taxed more, our household income is currently in the top 5%, but I'm expecting in exchange for that extra tax to be able to live in a place where there's a properly funded NHS, schools, police etc and millions of people don't need to use food banks or sleep in their cars or on the streets.

I'm hoping that xenophobia isn't encouraged any more, and there's some control of immigration, but that genuine asylum seekers are welcomed and not stigmatised.

I'm hoping that our relationship with Europe is worked at and becomes more cordial.

And I'm very much hoping that environmental issues are pushed to the forefront before it's too late (if it isn't already).

They won't be perfect, but I do think that they're more on the side of common good rather than every wo/man for themselves as the Tories are (and they need to maybe say that loudly!).

The will have honesty and integrity.

How do you expect them to have honesty and integrity over the complex issues when they can’t be honest about the answer to “what is a woman?” or “can only women have a cervix?” What will healthcare spending under Labour look like if they don’t know who to invite for smear tests and who to prostate screening?

The only way I’d vote Tory is if you gave me two ballot papers, one for me and one for the person holding the gun to my head, but I can’t vote for any party - so that also rules out the Lib Dems and Greens - who can’t define what a woman is and therefore who can’t set policy to take into account the particular needs of women in healthcare, employment, the justice system, as carers, in the benefit system etc. As it stands I’m reduced to spoiling my ballot paper, and as a lifelong leftie of one stripe or other, that saddens and angers me. But up to now none of the major parties have earned my vote.

I agree @Mischance - always pisses me off when macroeconomic theory and microeconomic theory are confused (and they have advisors, so there's no excuse)

And mine. If they are elected, I want Starmer to produce the .01% of women who he claims to have penises so that their biology can be studied and written up in medical journals.

I actually think Labour do have a vision.

But they are holding it back because so far all their good ideas have been used by Tory's and rebranded by them.

Energy cap and childcare to name just 2.

But I will wait until they say before I decide either way.

What I do know is that I don't like the Tory's vision for a racist divided country run by people who only line their mates pockets

Even at the beginning of the Pandemic, going on what we could already see what was coming out of Italy, the general public (and Nicola Sturgeon) has more sense than the Govt. They allowed Cheltenham Festival to go ahead and a planeload of Italian football supporters in to spread Covid around Liverpool..
Johnson had to be pushed into action when a lot of people/places were pretty much locking themselves up without being prompted. Remember him boasting about going round hospitals shaking hands with everyone?
And there was Rishi's Eat Out To Spread It About campaign.

Same.

Several years ago, I read a blog post written by a statistician (I think) of a financial analysis of what successive governments had achieved in relation to paying off the National debt since Labour came into power for the first time. It analysed the results on several different bases and compared like with like world scenarios (eg WW2, financial crash of 2008 etc) and it demonstrated that when Labour were in power, a greater contribution was made to paying off the debt. On this basis, I believe that Labour will handle the economy more effectively in the long term. I am annoyed with myself that I didn't bookmark it to be able to share if for the naysayers who think Labour cannot manage the economy.

I have always voted for Labour in general elections, I believe in Keynesian economics, I look at what history has taught us about introducing a fairer society, however, I am torn about voting Labour in the next general election because they will not say what a woman is. I will not vote for any other party so my ballot could be spoiled.

Op I honestly don't know.

I'm so fatigued with the sane responses to the same problems.

I wonder if we should not try a new system of government. The NHS and schools ting fenced completely with experts brought in to sort them out from all parties.

It's disengenious to keep saying funding is the issues and "cuts"... It's so wrong.
Of course everything and everyone can always do with more money but many school issues come from ignorant people who don't understand basic stuff..

Same with the NHS very small things need to be done to ease so many issues.

And... With labour it's the dreadful female issue isn't it.

I've got local elections coming up. I can't vote tory and the only other passionate campaigners are the lib dems whose ranks are filled with property developers who change allegiance at the drop of a hat..
Labour around here is nowhere to be seen.

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Everything.

Policing today is at tge sane level it was when Labour handed over governance to tge Tories. Yet the Tories make out like they're super heroes, no we were becoming lawless so they had to act to reverse their horrid cuts.

The NHS introduced by Labour is on its knees. If you care about anything, care about free healthcare for everyone cos under the Tories thus will go. It'll be means tested and middle England, Scotland, NI and Wales will feel it hardest.

Seriously, no tory government has done anything for people -
-they sold off the crown jewels (privatising industries that belong to us all and now we're all paying the price - mainly to the French and German governmfnts who held stakes in their telecoms, rail, post and utility providers

• gave £ms of contracts to their own donors
• caused more deaths per capita head due to covid than any other country

It's a pretty low after bar tbh this shower, but Labour has some great momentum behind. They have talented politicians, unlike the Tories, and I'm looking forward to seeing what David Millibands role will be when they get in cos he is a PM in waiting.

I look forward to an improving NHS, some move to re-nationalise some of what the Tories sold off and much more social housing to bring stability to our ridiculous property market.

I hope they get in for several terms to get this country back to where it was when Tony Blair was the PM and Gordon Brown was the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

I should add I am self employed and in top 3% of earners. I went to uni have a bachelors and masters degree, several Prof quals and still retain my roots.

Why does Keir Starmer have to have charisma? Johnson allegedly has charisma and look where that got us. I'd prefer boring competence over lying bluster every time.
If I'm going on holiday I don't care if the pilot has charisma, I just want him to fly the plane competently.
Turning elections into some sort of X Factor type popularity contest has been a disaster. See alsoj Nigel always-seen-with-a-pint-in-his-hand Farage.

They will bring adults back into power. They might not have all the answers - and they'll be inheriting a shit show of epic proportions - but they'll bring back values and maturity. Whether they get everything right or not, they'll be trying to do what they believe is best for the country, not for their own pockets.

I know that isn't the answer you're looking for, but if you really wanted that you'd just read their manifesto...

Until they're back in government, they won't know exactly how bad it all is. So what's in their manifesto now might not be deliverable in the timescale they hope for, but here it is.

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I’m not sure anything wools change much for a few years I believe the distribution of wealth over time would be fairer

Labour are in a tricky position as the Tories have increased tax in areas Labour traditionally would you don’t want to tax small business and homeowners too much as you then look to be the enemy of the people

Because charisma wins over votes

You don’t have to like them or agree with them but you are more likely to listen to them/watch them on tv that’s all they need is the attention of voters then a few comments that appeal to most people and people start thinking well maybe this person talks sense they understand where I am coming from

Boris Johnson people are waiting to be entertained by him if he is on TV the same time as Kier Starmer they may agree with with KS is saying but their attention isn’t on him as much it is on BS and his message will get through more.

I wouldn’t say Nigel Farage is charismatic but he tapped into people who felt left behind by appearing to listen and the bloody BBC loved having him on to play the pantomime villain but the more he was attacked the more support he gained he should have been challenged not put down there is a difference

The fact that people voted for Boris Johnson who is blatantly unfit for any high office because he's a bit of a laugh makes me despair of the electorate. Similarly Dulwich College educated commodities trader Nigel Farage as a man of the people.
Turning politics into a popularity contest has been a disaster for this country. It's no good having people with good suits and shiny teeth if they can't do the job.
All this stuff about Farage's bank accounts is interesting.

Labour will win. They will be just as shit and spend loads of money and bankrupt the country. This will happen for about 9 years.

Everyone will get pissed off and vote the Tory's in.

They will try to sort the economy out by making cuts and using austerity measures.

Everyone will hate the Tory's and vote Labour in and it will carry on like that until we are all dead.

This has happened for as long as I have been alive.

This bankrupting the country bollocks is getting very tedious. It’s bankrupt now, thanks to Tory mismanagement. Never again will the Tories be seen as the party of fiscal prudence. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was actually the end of them. Millennials are bucking that age old trend of growing further to the right with age. I really hope this is the last Tory government of my lifetime.