If Labour win the next GE, what will they do better?

[CandleInTheStorm]

To be fair, I think any party could do better than the current shit show government we have now.

But I keep hearing people say, "Don't vote Tory," ok, I get why, but that leaves the assumption they mean vote Labour instead. I've never been a Labour voter (and I didn't vote Tory last time because I couldn't stand BJ), so what is it they will do better if they win next time?

I don't mean what they did/didn't do last time or further back in the past, I mean, what will they do better this time, that's a realistic possibility? (I mean, anyone can say they'll pump billions into the NHS, but how would that actually realistically be able to happen, for example?)

The will have honesty and integrity. They'll stick to the rules they set and won't make promises they can't keep.

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Let's hope it actually materialises!

Why would I know?

To be fair I don't think any politicians do things with 100% honesty and integrity in the end..

It's attitudes like this that allow the Tory's to pull the shite they do.

Until I see and hear proof the current strong Labour team are pulling the same shite as the Tory top dogs I'll assume it's because they aren't doing it. Because everyone knows that if they did 1/4 of the stuff Tory's did they'd be all over the media for days.

Remember 10 days of kiers beer in the Daily Fail. He didn't even do anything wrong. Yet Johnson's parties and FPNs. They were just covered up with "but vaccines" etc

Exactly that @itsgettingweird.

So you want people to conjure up a crystal ball from somewhere, confirm who will be leading the Labour Party at the next GE, predict all or most of the external influences that will need to guide specific party policies, and then compare that with the past few years?

Bit of a pointless thread, and your responses to pretty much all posts don’t seem like you even know what you want from this thread?

No, it's because it's true and has been throughout history. Even Blair/Brown weren't honest in the end. I'm not excusing this government's fuck ups, far from it! Politicians are notorious for not being 100% honest or acting with integrity. They might say they are, but in the end, they're all liars, some much worse of course than others.

Hmmm tough. I think nearer the election, Starmer will tell the electorate what they will do better. But not too soo as to show the Tories his hand.

I would expect them to be an improvement by (in no particular order):

1. Not have serving MPs parade into the "I'm a Celeb" jungle and pretend it was a way to engage with their constituents
2. Not expecting people to live on 30p a day for meals
3. Not have former ministers from 20+ years ago waving bits of tinfoil about and telling people that's how you survive cold winters
4. Not blaming 13 years of austerity on a handful of people in boats
5. Not creating procurement fast lanes for their mates
6. Not blowing millions on unusable PPE
7. Not lying about Northern Ireland and "oven ready deals" and destroying 20 yrs worth of progress
8. Not supressing reports which show that policy actually makes situation worse e.g sanctions.
9. Not lying to Queen and illegally proroguing Parliament. Not lying in general. Not blathering on about Peppa Pig World.
10. Not creating economic policy which has a negative effect on public health e.g. Eat out to help out increasing Covid rates by 17%.
11. Not allowing water companies to fill our rivers and seas with 💩

I could go on

People say don't vote Tory, well that's obvious why, so I'm questioning why vote Labour as they are the next big party? I'm not asking for a crystal ball and appreciate the specific details are yet to come. But the Labour Party aren't going to change beyond recognition in the next year, surely, so that's why I'm asking what they will do better? So far, not a lot, it seems.

Turn this the other way and ignore labour for a moment OP. Why should people vote for the Conservatives? Why should they be allowed another 5 years?

They shouldn't

Liz Truss was always voted in to be the scapegoat. She just made it even easier for the Tories than she should have.

Cool...

So based on everything you currently know. Who should people vote for in your opinion?

Saying you don't know and they're all as bad as each other would be a cop out. They have ideological differences irrespective of the ability to carry them out.

I think Labours first steps will be to financially support those worse off by improving the benefits system, putting money into the NHS and more cost of living payments.

The problem is, I still think it's those in the middle who'll get squeezed to make this happen.

Well, that's what I'm trying to find out. Obviously nearer the time it'll be based on policies (with actual realistic ways to achieve them,) so for now I'm really looking into the other parties to understand what they stand for and get a general idea of what they would do better.

I used to be interested in politics, but over the past 7 years, I've become very disillusioned by it all. So I'm re-engaging my interest and looking into the other options.

No, it's because it's true and has been throughout history. Even Blair/Brown weren't honest in the end. I'm not excusing this government's fuck ups, far from it! Politicians are notorious for not being 100% honest or acting with integrity. They might say they are, but in the end, they're all liars, some much worse of course than others.

No! They are NOT ALL liars.

Some have been proven to be liars in the past.

Many have not.

In all parties.

Currently though we have a very danger pjs group of politicians running the country who incite hatred and think breaking the law is ok.

I don't think Sunak has lied? I don't like how he's running the country and how he allows Braverman to pull the racist shit she does to keep him in power though.

I'm not sure how I feel about that, mainly because tax credits nearly had my trapped. I relied on them to top up my wages, but I also studied and went for promotions, meaning I got out of relying on tax credits. It felt horrible though at the time because I was working more but worse off than I would have been if I had stayed on them. But I knew as a single parent I couldn't rely on them forever once the dc are 18. Lots of people end up trapped because they are worse off if they work more hours and it also allowed employers to take advantage of the situation by not paying more because wages were topped up by tax credits. So many people ended up in the benefit trap. Helping the disabled and vulnerable needs more funding, but I think the UC/Tax Credits situation got out of hand and didn't really help people in the end in the situations I have mentioned.

@CandleInTheStorm I don't think improving necessarily means just giving people more money not to work and penalising them financially if they do. It's a complex system that needs very careful consideration.

There needs to be a balance of supporting people so they can work but not making life difficult for those who can't.

Rightly or wrongly my experience of working under labour last time was more of my wages disappearing in tax every budget. It really started to piss me off as I had a few friends not working and almost gleefully rubbing it in my face they were getting a 'pay rise'. I earned too much for help but not enough to live (save for a house or go on holiday etc)

Nowadays I'm stuck voting to be poorer (labour will hammer me being a middle earner) or for more tory sleaze and corruption. Unless the tories clear the whole party out and start again I'll likely be voting to be poorer.

Disclaimer... Poorer in the sense my money will be going to badly needed and worthwhile services. The tories make me poorer by stealth with their corruption and experiments with our livelihoods.. Ie mortgage rates.

The answer is I do not know - but I do know that I would rather have a government that had some passing grasp of ethics and morality than this corrupt shit shower. In power they will struggle to reverse the chaos in education and the NHS - the juggernaut is rolling and cannot be stopped in an instant. But hopefully they will not be lying through their teeth when they say they are trying to improve things, whilst underneath it all they have their own corrupt agendas - we've had our fill of that.

I agree, and it's very hard to mention genuine concerns over the benefit system without getting branded as "benefit bashing," which certainly isn't the case. I would hope the next government could look at it and make changes in a balanced way, like you say, so the most vulnerable are supported and the rest aren't set into a "benefit trap" like now.

I'm hesitant like you though @CandleInTheStorm. I don't know that I trust Labour to actually do it well.

Spend more taxpayers' money. It's the only thing Labour are good at.

It actually scares me to death that this government could gain another 5 years in power. I think there would be riots if they were. They make Maggie look like Mother Theresa!

No, I don't think so. KS has shown no vision at all. Appears to have no core principles. And the politicians in his cabinet are not impressive. I just don't think there is a strong, competent team there, either in strategic vision or administration or in terms of intellectual heavy weights.