Mumsnet “norms” that annoy you most

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For me it’s the utterly obscure baby names. We’ve all seen them and I’m quite sure nobody uses them in real life. Yet on MN, it’s apparently standard.

Honourable mention to the 50% of posters whose husbands are earning upwards of £100K too.

I really do understand a lot of the arguments against Religion, especially in light of how it has been abused through the centuries. I do see that Religion has been used to control and manipulate people and I definitely do concede that fear and the 'rule book' have been used to intimidate and subjugate people into submission. As a human being with access to books and TV, this is hard to deny and I'm not defensive about it. My own Catholic upbringing turned me off organised Religion for years. Its different to having a personal, life changing relationship with Jesus which is not based on fear of breaking the rules and being petrified that Sky Daddy will turn on me if I don't do what he says.

People who follow a faith are not a monolith of unthinking, uneducated, unscientific, vulnerable, brainwashed robots. We are a diverse group with a wide variety of backgrounds, personalities, education levels, professional interests, IQ levels. I for one can think for myself and make my own mind up in a nuanced and reasoned way. Religious people are often othered as an easy way to win an argument, and our intellect is often questioned as a 'close all' argument against what we believe. Which, to be honest, is par for the course when you live life against the grain, but when you are asking an innocuous question in a way which doesn't impose any kind of our beliefs on anyone else, the derision pours in like quicksand. That's what I find so odd.

@Blossomtoes

Education

Faith schools. Act of daily worship by law. Lots of curriculum teaching Christian beliefs. Holidays coinciding with Christian festivals

Laws based on Christian belief

How do you not know this?

You want a replacement and continuation of the new state quasi religion that has given its the GRA?

An anti science, factually incorrect law giving women's rights to men and removing safeguarding?

You want gangs of males capturing institutions with their life principles? Some who are into Foucault and his Queer theory, when you look at the life Foucault lived and his interests in children?

https://twitter.com/YPinfo101/status/1642210244322377729?cxt=HHwWgoC-tYbhpsotAAAA

You want MPs making laws like this?

https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?cxt=HHwWgsC5hdnh5YUoAAAA

You want the HR team as your Priestley class giving you, your life and law moral code with slogans like 'be kind' & DEI?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1642267617380519938?cxt=HHwWhMC-gc3swMotAAAA

No. I quite like how religion and state have separated yet still I a respectful manner that acknowledges how society has been built.

My post was merely an explanation of the role religion has played in our nation and why it's still such a central focus. We are very unlikely to fully have a separation of state and religion and I'm ok with that, so long as it's done in a respectful manner on both sides

All of the above examples predate Christianity. Christianity dominating and shaping them is not the same thing as them being a product of Christianity.

Whilst English law developed differently to continental law, it was not without influence. Roman common law was (re)introduced by the Normans was bought to England, and preserved in canon law. See also the influence of Inerius and Corpus Juris Civilis.

I'm a teacher no longer living in the UK, but I did teach there and have no recollection of daily worship. It literally never happened in my experience. I taught in a C of E school which had an almost exclusively Muslim intake. I taught all the festivals; the Christian ones, the Muslim ones, the Hindu ones, as a means of enriching the children's awareness of one another's faith.

The only school that I remember teaching Christian content was a Roman Catholic school where nearly all the children in the school were Catholic and whose parents signed up for the RC stuff. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not part of my experience. I lived in a Muslim country for some years and all the school holidays were practically identical to the 'Christian' holidays in the UK.

I'm not surprised that there is a Judeo-Christian influence over a lot of the infrastructure in the UK but I haven't seen it as exerting an overtly explicit religious pressure on its citizens. It seems more like background noise to most people.

I think we were there and have gone past that point now.

Both sides are as bad. There is totally disproportionate vitriol about the way other households divide their paid and domestic labour: strangers whose family set-up affects our lives not one iota.

It's crackers. Who cares? Men don't: you never hear them chewing the fact over other men's work/life balance. There are, of course, entirely different reasons for that given the patriarchy is set up to benefit men's interests first and foremost - which is why, primarily, caring responsibilities are overwhelmingly deemed to belong to women.

THAT is the situation we should all be getting aeriated and hot under the collar about. Instead, when women make certain decisions in their own and their families' interests, some women who made different decisions will persist in seeing this as a personal affront.

SAHM vs. WOHM, BB vs, FF, BLW vs. pureed food, sleep-training vs. not sleep-training, are all a treadmill to nowhere.

This is a site that (theoretically) is open to people from all walks of life and so it’s to be expected that you’ll come across opinions that contradict your own! That being said, there are 2 specific things on this site that I completely hate, the first being competitive undereating. 1200 calories is the recommended amount for a 5-year-old. Everyone has different calorie needs but people are being plain irresponsible telling posters to undereat to that extent (and pretending they’re happy having 2 almonds as a ‘filling’ snack). The other is spelling and grammar pedantry in the comments of posts made by someone who is clearly distressed and wants helpful advice.

That every in law are elderly and possibly has dementia just because they're being a bit horrible.
When actually most in laws, looking at the ages of most of the posters here, are aged under sixty and have all their faculties.
Other amateur MH diagnosis's available.

Honestly, it would be like a complete stranger coming into your home and telling you your decor, way of bringing up your children, lifestyle and job are all rubbish - change everything!

It wasn’t that long ago that most TV channels’ evening output was based on exactly this. Remember Supernanny, You Are What You Eat, What Not To Wear, How Clean Is Your House, that one with Sarah Beeny about selling houses, even a particularly painful one about marriages called Made for Each Other? (They didn’t do one about careers, thankfully).

Maybe that’s why the current MN demographic are so judgemental. They spent too long watching crap like the above. 😏

Couldn’t agree more!

Sorry. Quote didn’t post. Couldn’t agree more with purplecheesecat!

Agree with you, and @Blossomtoes and several others. The level of putrid vitriol on here (from some) towards Christians/Christianity/Jesus is just sickening. All the 'skyfairy' type comments, and the mocking, and the bile. It's the same kind of people too...... The far left. The ones who call people who voted for Brexit 'thick racists,' and start threads with faux innocence saying 'Why do people vote for Conservative?' head tilt 😕

Funny how they never say the same things about certain other Religions. I think you know which ones I am referring to.

Indeed and im.really not religious but find the.mocking of other people religious beliefs quite abhorrent the world would be a better place if we could accept that people have different beliefs and views from our own ,tolerance is the key

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@CountingMareep you made me giggle! Man, I watched all of these bar the marriage one. Even was bought the books!!!!! (By my mother who was a very MN sort of person! We watched the shows together) YAWYE - ornamental, WNTW - good but of limited use as I am neither a Trinny or a Suzannah (btw how does Trinny still look so amazing, even going through a divorce she shines), Supernanny - many books and all of them life savers as I struggled with toddler yrs, only ones I got myself.

Special mention to Sarah Beeny, always admired her - woman takes on house and all manner of tasks independently… calmly.. needs no man.. needs no make up.. knows all. Better way of doing things. Do hope she is doing better at the moment.

Thanks Mareep, enjoyed that little jaunt down memory lane! Limited influence beyond enjoyment, except for SN - “Un-A-ceptable behaviour” has become mantra for kids and DH 😂

Get what you’re saying that all these shows instructing and demanding perfection may make women judgey and unrealistic about attainable goals. However, overall I think a lot here just like a good rant no matter their viewing history.

Uncritically accepting everything the OP says.

Every son is a ‘strapping 6 foot’ and suddenly ‘shot up’ after being tiny. Daughters are either vilified or high achievers, at private school, grammar school etc.
Clothes are only from places like The white stuff (?) or Toast. Primark clothes ‘fall apart after one wash’.
Funny half my wardrobe is Primark and years old 🤔

Oh God yes @Florissante. Especially when the OP relates in great detail events that happened to their dd/ds when they (the OP) weren't even there (usually ignoring those who were there if their version differs even if they are adults in authority) and posters accept and defend this 2nd hand version as if it is 100% accurate

I find it quite the opposite. People who only shower once a week but ‘definitely don’t smell’ MN always has this this reputation of people being ridiculously clean, I really don’t find that at all. Quite the reverse.

I find it quite the opposite. People who only shower once a week but ‘definitely don’t smell’

Well presumably they still wash?

I notice more of the hygeine police than those who only have 1 shower a week, although I imagine these are extreme ends of the spectrum and in reality most people are somewhere in between.
The ones that annoy me are the ones who insist everyone definitely smells and people do notice if they didn't shower that morning (even if they had one the night before)
And can sniff out scented panty liners and fabric conditioner from 3 miles away.

It's the extremes

Shower once a week or twice a day

Eat 800 calories a day or just a list of food that could easily top 3000

Can't get by on 80k or living the high life on under 20

People try to polarise every debate
Never any middle ground

Well, I hope so…in my opinion it’s much quicker to shower than faff about at the sink with a flannel, obviously, that’s only my opinion though.