How similar do you think the language of 1930s Germany is to the current Tory rhetoric on people crossing the Channel

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Using words like invasion,

Stigmatising people coming across the Channel

All the headlines in the news.

I think that we are moving towards language that does demonise people. No matter what you think, the language we use is important. And it's not just people who cross the Channel who face this behaviour

What had “descended from Caribbean slaves” got to do with it? That could mean anything, any percentage.

Priti Patel’s parents are immigrants. She still holds the views and has applied the measures she has.

🤷‍♀️ whatevs

This is possibly a comment on the ignorance of the population of the damage these proto-empires caused.

There seem to be some people on here who don't understand the importance of language and what othering means.

Gosh, what a terrifyingly intellectual response.

Why not say I've got a big nose and smell of fish?

Cos you’re clearly bored and goading for an argument and I can’t be bothered to waste time on you.
Have a great evening!

Night night.

Don't forget to brush your teeth

I personally don’t like the amount of men that are arriving as immigrants if it was the same number but families or predominantly women and children I would not mind at all. Check out what has happened in Sweden. Huge amounts of men of any race or religion with no women all together is always a bad idea.

Op, have you just recently come across the term ‘othering’?

You seem a bit obsessed with it, in a GCSE history sort of way?

There are already loads of threads on this

I condemn both but think there is a difference. The Tories target people wanting to come to the country, the Nazis targeted people born and whose families in some cases had been in Germany for generations.

Yes billions are spent elsewhere instead. I don’t mean on refugees, I mean they’re given to Macron to build a detention centre, given to Tory mates for failed PPE and an unworkable test and trace system, given to the DUP so they’d vote with the tories, spent on brexit, I could go on and on. The tories are very good at taking tax payer money in wide scale corruption then blaming things on brown people.

Why do some people think men have less right than women to be free from persecution? Do those who think that who are the mothers of boys look at them and think that when they are 18 it would be fine for them to be stuck in a war zone or tortured in a jail cell, or do they actually have a right to freedom and safety too?

I am very familiar with the word "othering"

And it is very relevant to the way the Government is using language to "other" people.

I am sure they know what they are doing. Maybe they are familiar with how language was used and is still used to divide people and to turn people against others.

what is the solution people want to people who arrive by small boat?

Are you arguing that we set all these people up in our country? It seems so, so in what capacity are we responsible for the people who just land here? Are we responsible for housing, feeding and providing healthcare? What exactly is the responsibility you feel we should have for them?

how many are we responsible for?

I find the problem people have with the phrase ‘othering’ a bit basic. They are from another country, we have countries. You make borders irrelevant by saying they are not ‘other’. Are borders irrelevant? Does it not matter where you pay your tax to support the running of your country?

This thread is about the language being used. Not about the policy towards people arriving by boat.

But the language. Other threads are available for the policy.

To have a proper and legal asylum process that meets international human rights legislation, does not punish victims of human trafficking and sets out sensible criteria for asylum which means not everyone stays.

many countries manage this. It’s not a unique problem. And it’s not like this is a binary problem.
there’s a lot of black and whit ‘basic ‘ thinking in this thread

It’s interesting that you think people who understand the psychology and impacts of language use ‘basic’ but are happy to literally label people with no consideration of the consequences. Does you think that literal use makes you a more complex thinker? 😁

I find the problem people have with the phrase ‘othering’ a bit basic. They are from another country, we have countries. You make borders irrelevant by saying they are not ‘other’. Are borders irrelevant? Does it not matter where you pay your tax to support the running of your country

Using words like invasion, swarm, illegals...

All these words do create a division and a sense of them and us - yes, they are from other countries. However, those words do create a sense that we are under attack, that there is an enemy.

So when people do arrive here, the way they are treated by the Government and by people who are hostile towards them is seen by some not to matter as such because the environment and the language used has helped some people to see them as less worthy.

Can you expand on that?

This is about the language being used. Other people, including prominent people in national life, have commented on the use of language by this Government.

How do you feel about the language being used and the effect of that language?

Interesting article on dehumanising language

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-web-violence/201806/what-is-dehumanization-anyway

Written in response to Trump - who used words like illegals, infestation, but what's written is interesting and has applications elsewhere in life

The language that's been used about immigrant men on MN for ages now is fucking appalling, the refusal to see them as human beings with human rights. It's just depressing and utterly inhumane. From a group of women that clearly have NO experience or insight at all to the experience and backgrounds of these immigrants, nor of the actual circumstances and conditions in their home countries. Would love to dump some of you in the middle of Idlib (to take one example) and see how you get on - would you try to send your young adult son out or not? And how do you know men are leaving their wives and children behind? Can any of your quantify this? There's been around a quarter of a million civilian deaths in Syria at the hands of Assad in the last decade or so - do you not realise many of these deaths will have been the women and children you're absolutely convinced are being 'left behind' by their (apparently) rapist husbands that come to this country. In 2022, it was estimated over 25,000 children alone had been killed since the start of the war.

The absolute certitude on display from such ignorance is nearly laughable. Scratch the surface, and I'm sure you'll find the only reason many of you were born in this country is because your ancestors went through similar. And the arguments about capacity and resources were around then too. And just like the majority of male immigrants to the UK today, they weren't rapists either.

Absolutely shameful, language repeatedly used to describe refugees (male and female), mostly parroted from a right-wing media. It's almost embarrassing how much some of you buy into this.

If anyone is ever in any doubt why the Tories are repeatedly voted in, they just need to look on here.

The Tories target people wanting to come to the country

Windrush.

It’s not the same as nazi germany. I wish people would stop calling everything they don’t agree with like nazi germany. It’s not helpful