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What is going on at the BBC right now?

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LookItsMeAgain · 10/03/2023 17:42

What with the news breaking today ( 10/03/23) that Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day and now Ian Wright is also not going to appear on the show in solidarity. They also have said that they will not air a David Attenborough (what the hell did he do/say that pushed their buttons) episode due to fears of a right-wing backlash. On top of that, Fiona Bruce has said that Stanley Johnson 'only' broke his wife's nose once (I mean just how many times is too many, I ask ye).

What the hell is going on at the BBC right now????

Sources:
David Attenborough being cancelled
Gary Lineker stepping back from MotD
Ian Wright standing by Gary
Fiona Bruce story

Just wondering if anyone can make sense of what is going on in the BBC at the moment.

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carriedout · 10/03/2023 20:42

Piggywaspushed · 10/03/2023 20:41

It was appalling and she or the BBC should issue a statement

I wondered if Refuge might have a rethink? Just awful.

NiceHotCuppaCoffee · 10/03/2023 20:42

After watching the ideological capture of institutions I fund, they seem job creation schemes rather than being of much use to the public and very poor value for money.

I was once a member of the Labour party, their recent male supremacy over thos and other issues show them to have in my opinion irrational luxury beliefs, I am turned me off and now understandwhy with life experiencepeople turn right. It has made me see the economics as something different to the understanding I had previously.

Public services are there for them not the taxpayers.

bellac11 · 10/03/2023 20:43

Why are people continually misrepresenting what he said?

Piggywaspushed · 10/03/2023 20:44

Ian Wright, in particular, is extremely vocal about women's football and does lots and lots to promote it .

Piggywaspushed · 10/03/2023 20:45

carriedout · 10/03/2023 20:42

I wondered if Refuge might have a rethink? Just awful.

I suspect they might.

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:45

Signalbox · 10/03/2023 20:41

I find the sex imbalance a concern. The vast majority of those arriving are young males. We know that men are responsible for 98% of violent crime. That is not to say that all men (or all asylum seekers are criminals) but a proportion of them will be for sure. I wonder if continually accepting high numbers of male asylum seekers or immigrants without similar numbers of females (they must exist) will create a social imbalance eventually. It would be nice to see more balance.

All the more reason to have safe and legal routes.

If you have safe and legal routes, then fewer people will make the dangerous crossings. People will come through official channels, they can be documented and claims processed quickly and efficiently.

Stopping the boats won’t stop people trying to get here. They’ll find a way because they include desperate people, and that desperation is being exploited.

Safe and legal routes makes it easier for the government to say yes and no to people. Boat crossings just means people can land and disappear.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/03/2023 20:47

Why are people continually misrepresenting what he said?

For the same reason people call JK Rowling a transphobe without ever quoting what she has said. When you are struggling to argue the actual point someone is making you should twist their words into something you can argue against.

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:47

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/03/2023 20:47

Why are people continually misrepresenting what he said?

For the same reason people call JK Rowling a transphobe without ever quoting what she has said. When you are struggling to argue the actual point someone is making you should twist their words into something you can argue against.

This

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2023 20:47

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:45

All the more reason to have safe and legal routes.

If you have safe and legal routes, then fewer people will make the dangerous crossings. People will come through official channels, they can be documented and claims processed quickly and efficiently.

Stopping the boats won’t stop people trying to get here. They’ll find a way because they include desperate people, and that desperation is being exploited.

Safe and legal routes makes it easier for the government to say yes and no to people. Boat crossings just means people can land and disappear.

Is your preference unlimited or a capped number?

KnittedCardi · 10/03/2023 20:48

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:41

Of course it matters. Russians buying their way here is doesn’t equate to taking vulnerable people fleeing persecution

But you are trying to argue a handful against 10s of thousands. Fullfact also has this:

More broadly, the number of people migrating to the UK is also increasing. In the year to June 2022, approximately 1.1 million people migrated to the UK. This is an increase of 435,000 on the previous 12 months, and was primarily driven by non-EU nationals.

Again. I ask. How can we be seen as Nazis and racists?

Starflecked · 10/03/2023 20:48

I don't think it's a surprise that young men from countries where attitudes towards women are very different don't simply shake those off as they cross the channel. Absolutely not saying it means everyone is going to treat women that way, but of course highly concentrated areas of men are going to be an increased risk to women. I know lots will say that's bigoted or whatever but it's not it's the truth however much faux naievity people like to apply to it.

It's also quite easy when you're not directly affected by something because you have financial security where you don't rely on overstretched resources to be supportive. I myself have a home in a nice area, a secure job, I can afford private healthcare and education and so for me the reality is it doesn't affect my life much. I can empathise though with those where this isn't the case. There are communities where poverty is rife, crime is rife, little opportunity to escape, people are lingering on council housing lists for years and years, unable to access adequate healthcare, living in shitty conditions and scraping by often through no fault of their own, can see why they're disillusioned by seeing people they (incorrectly) assume are being better supported

The sad point they're missing is this is the government's fault and not people seeking a better life here. If services were funded properly and functioning so it wasn't a battle to get a GP appointment or affordable dentistry, if desirable schools were in greater numbers it wouldn't be so disheartening when the class sizes are waived for some children whilst others remain on the wait list blame wouldn't be pinned on an increasing population when this isn't actually the case. If housing was more accessible people wouldn't be so bitter about people being in paid for accommodation and then likely re-homed quicker than them because it would be seen as a right for all. If the gov invested in a more effective and safer process and passage there could be better integrations put in place so that people coming over were better supported which is important; but also people felt safer also.

Its more complex imo than people opposed are bigots and/or racist.

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:49

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2023 20:47

Is your preference unlimited or a capped number?

Why do people who are against safe and legal routes always leap to think that people who do, want unlimited migration?

How bizarre.

Of course not. It should be based on what we need, and how many leave the UK (because, funnily enough, uk residents also migrate to other countries). That figure will change every year.

But I can’t trust this government to get it right as you look at their shit show when it comes to managing numbers.

Seriouslynonono · 10/03/2023 20:51

Rosscameasdoody · 10/03/2023 20:20

Are you on glue ?? Lineker compared the Uk with Nazi Germany for wanting to limit the amount of migrants reaching our shores. We’re a small country, I’m all for those who are genuinely in danger given asylum, but not for economic migrants. Have a look at what’s going on in Ireland.

Am I on glue? Yes that must be it 😂

This is about freedom of speech, not how worthy you think refugees/migrants are. The government are gagging people via the BBC. How is that ok?

You are living in the dark ages.

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:51

KnittedCardi · 10/03/2023 20:48

But you are trying to argue a handful against 10s of thousands. Fullfact also has this:

More broadly, the number of people migrating to the UK is also increasing. In the year to June 2022, approximately 1.1 million people migrated to the UK. This is an increase of 435,000 on the previous 12 months, and was primarily driven by non-EU nationals.

Again. I ask. How can we be seen as Nazis and racists?

Where did I say you were a Nazi? If you make that assumption, that says more about you than me.

I say it’s racist to imply that every man from a certain country is a criminal/rapist etc.

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:52

Starflecked · 10/03/2023 20:48

I don't think it's a surprise that young men from countries where attitudes towards women are very different don't simply shake those off as they cross the channel. Absolutely not saying it means everyone is going to treat women that way, but of course highly concentrated areas of men are going to be an increased risk to women. I know lots will say that's bigoted or whatever but it's not it's the truth however much faux naievity people like to apply to it.

It's also quite easy when you're not directly affected by something because you have financial security where you don't rely on overstretched resources to be supportive. I myself have a home in a nice area, a secure job, I can afford private healthcare and education and so for me the reality is it doesn't affect my life much. I can empathise though with those where this isn't the case. There are communities where poverty is rife, crime is rife, little opportunity to escape, people are lingering on council housing lists for years and years, unable to access adequate healthcare, living in shitty conditions and scraping by often through no fault of their own, can see why they're disillusioned by seeing people they (incorrectly) assume are being better supported

The sad point they're missing is this is the government's fault and not people seeking a better life here. If services were funded properly and functioning so it wasn't a battle to get a GP appointment or affordable dentistry, if desirable schools were in greater numbers it wouldn't be so disheartening when the class sizes are waived for some children whilst others remain on the wait list blame wouldn't be pinned on an increasing population when this isn't actually the case. If housing was more accessible people wouldn't be so bitter about people being in paid for accommodation and then likely re-homed quicker than them because it would be seen as a right for all. If the gov invested in a more effective and safer process and passage there could be better integrations put in place so that people coming over were better supported which is important; but also people felt safer also.

Its more complex imo than people opposed are bigots and/or racist.

Having grown up in a poor environment, I understand what you mean - but some attitudes are racist even if some think they can be excused….

woodhill · 10/03/2023 20:52

Totally agree but it doesn't happen and it will become worse

It's very difficult for the young people who already live here to afford housing and maybe they want to have a family etc

Why are they so unimportant

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2023 20:53

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:49

Why do people who are against safe and legal routes always leap to think that people who do, want unlimited migration?

How bizarre.

Of course not. It should be based on what we need, and how many leave the UK (because, funnily enough, uk residents also migrate to other countries). That figure will change every year.

But I can’t trust this government to get it right as you look at their shit show when it comes to managing numbers.

Why do people who are against safe and legal routes always leap to think that people who do, want unlimited migration?

It was a pretty simple question. If you read it as that it was your interpretation.

But if it’s limited then why won’t there be a market for the smugglers for those who get a no?

Clavinova · 10/03/2023 20:55

ancientgran
He's had refugees living in his house. He doesn't just talk the talk

Although to be fair, they only stayed for about a month each - one refugee was studying law - the other refugee went on to university with the aim of being a rocket scientist. I doubt all refugees are so well educated.

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:56

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2023 20:53

Why do people who are against safe and legal routes always leap to think that people who do, want unlimited migration?

It was a pretty simple question. If you read it as that it was your interpretation.

But if it’s limited then why won’t there be a market for the smugglers for those who get a no?

As I said.

If you have safe and legal routes, it creates a stronger border because you can better track who is and isn’t coming here.

Do you think it’s either unlimited or limited?

How do you think people should present their cases for asylum to the UK? If you say they can’t at all unless they come from three countries (!) then you will drive people underground. How does that improve matters?

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:57

Clavinova · 10/03/2023 20:55

ancientgran
He's had refugees living in his house. He doesn't just talk the talk

Although to be fair, they only stayed for about a month each - one refugee was studying law - the other refugee went on to university with the aim of being a rocket scientist. I doubt all refugees are so well educated.

Why do you doubt that?

Dymaxion · 10/03/2023 20:58

I can't help feeling that the Government are actually delighted about all this.

It does rather detract from the HS2 debacle, it is going to be delayed by another two years at an absolutely exorbitant cost to the taxpayer for what is a remarkably miniscule amount of 'levelling upness' .

Then there is the fact that we are giving France another 500 million to try and 'stop the boats' by building a special detention centre that won't actually be ready until the end of 2026, amongst other things.

If I were Labour I would be drafting Jeremy Corbyn into pole position again, they are going to be inheriting an absolute shit tip, if they win the next election !

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/03/2023 20:59

Moonicorn · 10/03/2023 20:06

And further to my previous posts why do I never hear anyone on here talking about the plight of abandoned Afghan women and children?

You're too busy listening to the sexist misogynist crap your DH makes you listen to?

Believeitornot · 10/03/2023 20:59

Dymaxion · 10/03/2023 20:58

I can't help feeling that the Government are actually delighted about all this.

It does rather detract from the HS2 debacle, it is going to be delayed by another two years at an absolutely exorbitant cost to the taxpayer for what is a remarkably miniscule amount of 'levelling upness' .

Then there is the fact that we are giving France another 500 million to try and 'stop the boats' by building a special detention centre that won't actually be ready until the end of 2026, amongst other things.

If I were Labour I would be drafting Jeremy Corbyn into pole position again, they are going to be inheriting an absolute shit tip, if they win the next election !

Absolutely correct!

It is a terrible distraction from the shit show that is government policy.

🤣🤣🤣 at the Corbyn idea.

Clavinova · 10/03/2023 21:00

Believeitornot
Why do you doubt that?

How many rocket scientists do you know?

WarWhatIsItGoodFor · 10/03/2023 21:00

The BBC has been infiltrated by the Tories, that much is obvious yet it has the audacity to haul Gary Lineker over the coals for being impartial. It’s fucked and I think people who disagree with their current stance should stop paying their TV licence. They have shown their true (blue) colours. Fuck the BBC.

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