Thread 21. Sunak. How many more will be deserting the sinking ship?

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Here we go. Previous thread.

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And the process was easy in some ways for us as he was awarded everything with no issues. But the system is horrible and dehumanising.

I think worrying about the impact of migration on uk women and girls is quite low down my list of feminist priorities. I'd deal with that after:

• prosecuting rape effectively
• dealing with violent pornography and proper age verification on sites
• enforcing the already tested idea that you can't consent to physical harm
• making street harassment unacceptable
• reducing the sex trade by taking action against punters (I'm all for naming and shaming them, as that's the only thing proven to reduce their use of prostitutes)

Fed up of this far right "but risk to women and girls/Sweden/Cologne" nonsense

If we properly dealt with misogyny in western societies females would be at far less risk than they are now. But risk from white men cannot be spoken of.

Preach!

Fiona Bruce stepping down form Refuge after her remarks on QT minimising of Stanley Johnson abusing his wife.

www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/13/fiona-bruce-to-step-down-as-refuge-ambassador-over-stanley-johnson-comments

That was a bit garbled. But you get the jist!

That's good news at least. Still can't believe Refuge issued a statement in support of her though.

I know. I’d have so much more respect for her if she stepped down from QT and stuck with Refuge.

Have we seen the Women's Aid statement? Very powerful.

Farah Nazeer, chief executive of Women’s Aid, said:
“At Women’s Aid we were shocked last night to see the Question Time presenter Fiona Bruce state, in response to a comment that Stanley Johnson was a ‘wife-beater’, that “friends of his said it did happen, it was a one off”. This comment was unnecessary and irresponsible. We know at Women’s Aid that domestic abuse is rarely, if ever, a ’one-off’, with the vast majority of abuse being a pattern of behaviour that includes different forms of abuse. In this case, the survivor has been quoted saying she was always being hit by Johnson, and that she was not allowed when married to Johnson to have a car, possibly indicating controlling behaviour. Even if abuse is an isolated event, it would have still been domestic abuse, and this should never be minimised.
We are particularly surprised to hear this comment from Fiona Bruce, who has previously campaigned against domestic abuse with us at Women’s Aid and other domestic abuse charities, and has spoken publicly about her friend’s experience of abuse.
Question Time is a flagship BBC programme and carries with it authority over the narrative. The narrative that domestic abuse can be dismissed as a one-off is harmful, and influences how seriously the public take domestic abuse. Our recent report into public perceptions of domestic abuse shows what a long way we have to go to shift public attitudes that enable and tolerate domestic abuse in our society, and last evening’s comment illustrates exactly this.
We ask the BBC to take this seriously and have clear guidelines on how domestic abuse is referenced across their programmes and channels. The BBC has a huge platform, and with it comes a significant responsibility. For us to end domestic abuse, we need to work together to not only address the support needs of survivors, but address the attitudes that enables domestic abuse to not only exist but thrive across society, as perpetrators are not held to account.”

Just read her Guardian statement. She is not sorry at all is she?

No reflection at all. And , interestingly, no fuller explanation of what her actual internet had been. Because she is still at the BBC.

I'd say her intent was her producer shouting in her earpiece...

I agree with that list AdamRyan - but would add that we'll need to invest further in the police and in the courts system.
But then where don't we need to invest?

No, FB's comment wasn't "mischaracterised".

Thank goodness for that womens aid statement. I thought I was being gaslighted, particularly as the comment was made on the same day as Jess Phillips read out the list of names of women killed by men in the hoc. Something I pointed out in my complaint to the BBC.

"Tory MP (and ex minister) breaks ranks over the Illegal Migration Bill"

twitter.com/pickardje/status/1635283913936625664?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Looks like Chris Skidmore is abstaining (rather than voting against).

Gosh, what a difficult decision for Fiona Bruce. Give up highly paid QT gig or give up patronage of organisation that supports women. 🙄

What is wrong with you? Why are you trying to minimise the horrific experience I had navigating the benefits system in the UK? Rather than addressing the issue you want to pick holes in how I worded things. Seriously? Your response to a post from a person with a communication disability is to try and belittle the words they used? You need to give your head a wobble. See if that activates your compassion which clearly needs a reboot.

Sorry, I shouldn't have fed it but it makes me so cross.

For anyone who is genuinely interested and not just looking to upset people, the exact wording:

Q17 Behaving appropriately with other people

This section looks at whether your behaviour upsets other people.

Please tick this box if your behaviour does not upset other people.

How often do you behave in a way which upsets other people? Everyday, often, or occasionally. Fore example, this might be because you are aggressive or act in an unusual way.

Use this apce to tell us why your behaviour upsets other people or why you get upset about things. Tell us how this happens.

How is someone with autism supposed to answer that? Do they think we knowingly go around pissing people off and making them hate us? I came to the conclusion that it was a trick question to find out if you really had a communication disability (genuinely that's what I thought). So I answered, 'How do you expect me to answer this? If I knew the answer to this I'd do something about it. It's precisely because I don't that I got an autism diagnosis'. Seemed to do the trick so maybe I was right in my analysis.

Bloody hell Fladdermus what a question

Intrusive, ridiculous and as you say, how in god's name do you answer that.

It's also quite telling that the question is about how my behaviour affects others but there's no question at all about how others behaviour affects me. Any failure in that social interaction is on seen as being on me.

That is awful Fladdermus and almost like a trick question, trying to catch you out. A horrible, horrible system.

How would anyone answer that? Ludicrous, @Fladdermus . I’m sorry you were faced with that level of meaningless twaddle.

That’s outrageous. I’m ashamed you were put through that.

I escaped. I'm sorry for everyone still living this. People not being able to feed themselves because they don't know how to answer to questions like that. I'm quite lucky really. I have autism, but I'm intelligent (allegedly) and can read and process information and advocate for myself (even though I feel on constant brink of a heart attack) but what about all the people who can't? What about the autistic person who ticks that their behaviour doesn't upset other people because they have no awareness that it does? It's just awful.

Fladdermus when my husband had his PIP assessment, it was so obvious that some of the questions were designed to trip people up. The assessment process is based on the premise that people are lying about their disabilities. Guilty until proven innocent.