Thread 21. Sunak. How many more will be deserting the sinking ship?

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Here we go. Previous thread.

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France must be delighted though. Sunaks giving them half a billion pounds to basically run an immigration centre. Of which France already has lots.
So they’ll just fill another one with a few hundred migrants, whilst charging us a fortune.

Generous benefits and social housing, once asylum is granted.

OK, so we're back to the assumption that young men must by definition not be genuine asylum seekers. As I recall, 70% of those who arrived on small boats in 2022 were granted asylum straight away. Of the remaining 30%, almost half were granted asylum on appeal. So that makes a smidge under 85% who are deemed genuine asylum seekers, male or otherwise. Or are you saying that males can't be victims of war or persecution?

And of course there is a solution. It's a properly funded and staffed asylum seeker that processes applications within appropriate timescales, and it's the provision of routes for claiming asylum from outside the UK. That isn't rocket science.

Benefits in the UK aren't generous. If you think they're so great, jack in your job and live on them.

Of course another solution would be to allow asylum seekers to work.

And of course one of the attractions is the fact that many of the people coming from the UK are coming from places where English is a common second language. Many may also have family here. But by all means don't mention that. We know you.

there is a solution. It's a properly funded and staffed asylum seeker that processes applications within appropriate timescales, and it's the provision of routes for claiming asylum from outside the UK. That isn't rocket science

It also isn’t rocket science that it will increase the numbers, and the public don’t want that. And I don’t blame them.

Because of course it makes no sense at all to send the person who is most likely to make the journey alive, settle down and then go for family reunification. You're typical of your kind.

Of course men can be persecuted. It's easy. All it takes is speaking out against your government, having the wrong religion, being gay, belonging to the wrong ethnicity. The list is endless.

Who risks their life to see a third cousin and because they speak a bit of the language?

The UK doesn't take a lot of refugees compared to many other countries (most of them the ones nearest the ones people are fleeing). The UK has an ageing population and needs young people to come and work here. The fact that the people have been told not to like this 'because they're stealing our jobs' is neither here nor there - it's still bilge.

So have the young men left their woman and children alone in a war torn country then ? Isn’t that a bit of an alright Jack attitude? Leaving them to face the music?

A large number ( not all) are from Albania, who are not at war. As Piers Morgan stated on a show recently, saying how he failed to see how these fit young men were vulnerable.

Regardless of who is vulnerable, surely there has to be a limit to how many people you can take in. Irrespective of what you feel about migrants , whatever side you’re on, isn’t it fact that there has to be some kind of contrail when it comes to numbers?

We can have an effective immigration system. But even then surely that can’t be limitless can it?

If the scenario they were leaving was that deadly, they wouldn’t leave their family there alone for 5 minutes, let alone months or even years on end. It defeats the entire object.

The men of Screbrenica would disagree....
If any of them were still aalive of course

UK benefits generous!? I honestly never know of you people truly believe this rubbish

Who risks their life to see a third cousin and because they speak a bit of the language?

Someone desperate - obviously.

Which is why they re seeking asylum elsewhere and risking their life to do it.

The children who died with their mother in the Channel recently were trying to get to their dad. Wouldn't have been in that boat if this monstrous government hadn't shut down the family reunification route.

If we had a well run asylum system, people from safe countries could be sent back. Including people from Albania.

Syria, Ethiopia and Eritrea are not safe countries.

No, they wouldn’t have been in the boat had their parents not paid smugglers and got into it. We don’t owe the entire world safe passage to our country in case some of them do something dangerous to get here.

They were in a perfectly safe, affluent country and had no reason to leave it. He should’ve gone to them if anything. Who lets their children do that?

We don’t have the money or infrastructure to support anyone from Eritrea, Syria or Ethiopia who wants to come here. We simply don’t. We are the most crowded country in Europe bar island/city states and the Netherlands.

Mind you, we can't even trust the Home Office with Afghan women and young people. Shunting them off to another city with no school place when they're weeks off doing their GCSEs is such great practice, isn't it?

@Moonicorn given the amounts of money our government have wasted over the past 13 years, and given the way they have deliberately defunded the public sector, the 'not enough money or infrastructure' argument holds no water. We could have had those things. We just had a government that chose austerity over investment.

Bull shit. There are answers. How about starting the process in France (or other countries as needed) rather than Britain.
Eg. Come to the embassy (or an office), make your application, have your biometrics taken and give all information to support your application.

Return a couple of days later. If given initial approval (what is currently done in the assessment centres) you will receive a plane/train ticket and visa to the UK where your application will be fully assessed in a timely manner (weeks not years).

No-one would need to get on a boat and we would have biometric data for anyone who subsequently entered the country so could return them.

That's too fucking easy though.

Hmmm solutions to the sort out the people traffickers and drug rings? How about sorting out our domestic policing and put some effort into not providing such a soft target to sell sex, drugs and slaves to. It’s people living here legitimately providing customer bases. Oh and saying anyone claiming asylum based on trafficking won’t be protected by modern slavery laws is fucking horrific whilst also encouraging these gangs to build their empires knowing full well the government has instructed our police to not give a shit.

Meanwhile get our immigration services sorted out after fucking them up.

The issue of channel crossings has occurred at this scale under this government.

You can still watch Swimmers on Netflix.

All these arguments about safe countries, why do men leave their families, why do people want to come here and not stay on France, were well thrashed on on the GL thread. Do we have to do it all again here?

“A large number ( not all) are from Albania, who are not at war. As Piers Morgan stated on a show recently, saying how he failed to see how these fit young men were vulnerable.”

Statistics from the British National Crime Agency showed that in 2017 the majority of victims of human trafficking are Albanians who are exploited as cheap labor or in the sex industry.[10]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Albania

See, here’s the thing. You can claim to care about women but by claiming Albania is a safe country, you’re denying the reality of women and girls who are trafficked from Albania into the UK to work in forced prostitution.