Page 19 | Another dog attack- 4 year old killed. Devastating

singingsussie · 2023-02-01T06:14:33+00:00

Just woke up to this news this morning. It's just so incredibly heartbreaking for all involved. Seems to be happening so much more than ever these days

vodkaredbullgirl · 02/02/2023 13:25

WingingItSince1973 · 02/02/2023 13:23

Saw this dog a few weeks back. I know a few owners could do with this sign too!

😂

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 13:32

A completely meaningless warning for anybody that can't read or doesn't understand the meaning of ’twat'.

vodkaredbullgirl · 02/02/2023 13:35

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 13:32

A completely meaningless warning for anybody that can't read or doesn't understand the meaning of ’twat'.

🙄FGS are you deliberately been obtuse.

mydogisthebest · 02/02/2023 13:36

Floofyduffypuddy · 02/02/2023 13:19

@ThisGirlNever .
I totally agree. The onus is on the dogs owner not on anyone else..

I completely agree children should be taught to never go near dogs and ask permission etc but the onus is always with the dogs owner.

Bloody stupid comment. So my friendly placid dog has a young shrieking child run up behind them and grab at them and if he snaps it is my fault! Bloody control your children.

I once had 8 or so children run to him shrieking and screeching. They totally surrounded him and started grabbing at him. The mothers just stood like morons watching. The children were about 7/8 so plenty old enough to know better.

I am not muzzling my dog because parents are so thick they can't control their children

mydogisthebest · 02/02/2023 13:41

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 12:49

no dog should be completely trusted is pretty much dogs for dummies, no?

Yes. It is.

So that's why dummy dog owners should muzzle their mutts.

Children are incapable of assessing risk and can easily get excited, fail to listen and forget what they've been told or behave how they've been instructed to behave.

The onus is on dog owners to completely mitigate any risk to all members of the public - even those behaving in an irresponsible manner.

Oh bog you you boring idiot.

I am not a dummy dog owner and neither am I muzzling him because of awful children with moronic parents.

Of course YOUNG children are incapable of assessing risks but their parents shouldn't be. Hold the child's hand if there is a dog and you think they will run to it. If they do run towards a dog run after them and grab them and tell them firmly it is wrong.

Older children have no excuse so should not be running to dogs, grabbing their fur etc.

Floofyduffypuddy · 02/02/2023 13:47

@mydogisthebest

Inwas a.dog owner of a cute pretty bichon cross. She got lot's of attention. Every child who ambles up insaod ...you need to check and ask permission and I was not afraid to say no.
Well trained dog's shouldn't react.

EdithStourton · 02/02/2023 13:54

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 12:16

I'll be sure to tell the other 66,999,999 other people in the country then.

As I said, fucking dog owners.

Serious question: do you get a kick out of being obnoxious and abusive?

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 13:55

mydogisthebest · 02/02/2023 13:36

Bloody stupid comment. So my friendly placid dog has a young shrieking child run up behind them and grab at them and if he snaps it is my fault! Bloody control your children.

I once had 8 or so children run to him shrieking and screeching. They totally surrounded him and started grabbing at him. The mothers just stood like morons watching. The children were about 7/8 so plenty old enough to know better.

I am not muzzling my dog because parents are so thick they can't control their children

Show quote history

So my friendly placid dog has a young shrieking child run up behind them and grab at them and if he snaps it is my fault! Bloody control your children.

And that is the perfect example of why all dogs should be muzzled in public places. The owners just don't accept their responsibilities regarding public safety.

Trinity65 · 02/02/2023 13:55

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 01/02/2023 11:35

zerofuchs wow I just listened to that report. Belgian malinois should not be owned by members of the public unless there is specific grounds for it. My DH has them just for complete clarity. They are exercised in our paddock and fields, socialise only with our other working dogs and other malinois and need hours of exercise, stimulation and walks everyday. They are never taken into public areas. They are a highly intelligent breed and they serve certain purposes (not going into that as it’s outing). They need training from day dot. They are not suited to domestic living conditions where they’ll have one quick walk around the block (if they’re lucky) and then spend the rest of the time pacing the living room. Things will go wrong very very quickly if you are keeping a breed like that in a little house on an estate. It’s disgusting and the dogs should be removed.

Completely agree with You.

Neighbour obtained a XL Bully type breed last month.
All she does is scream and shout at it, the poor thing. It goes out the back garden and that's it. No Walk. No Kindness.

I am actually thinking of reporting Her as she has a 7 year old in there (who also shouts at it). Accident waiting to happen in my view. My concern is the little girl.

Trinity65 · 02/02/2023 13:56

And Yes. its a small terraced house on a council estate.

SillyLittleBiscuit · 02/02/2023 14:07

Keep your kid under control and away from my dog. My dog is under control and never allowed to approach anyone.

Hoppinggreen · 02/02/2023 14:10

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 13:55

So my friendly placid dog has a young shrieking child run up behind them and grab at them and if he snaps it is my fault! Bloody control your children.

And that is the perfect example of why all dogs should be muzzled in public places. The owners just don't accept their responsibilities regarding public safety.

Show quote history

And of a small child runs in front of your car while you are driving legally and safely you should presumably have your car taken away, destroyed and never have another if that child is hurt?
Responsible dog owners keep their dogs under control and their dogs pose no danger to anyone but these awful cases of children being killed don’t involve dogs owned by responsible owners

mydogisthebest · 02/02/2023 14:16

Floofyduffypuddy · 02/02/2023 13:47

@mydogisthebest

Inwas a.dog owner of a cute pretty bichon cross. She got lot's of attention. Every child who ambles up insaod ...you need to check and ask permission and I was not afraid to say no.
Well trained dog's shouldn't react.

My dog doesn't react except maybe to look unhappy at the shrieking but that is not the point.

I don't seem to get children ambling up, they all seem to run at him, often behind him which a lot of dogs don't like and just grab and screech.

I trust him as much as you can trust any dog but there are no children in my family so he is just not used to them. I stopped walking him at school times because not only did it annoy me, I also was always stressed watching him and the children just in case

mydogisthebest · 02/02/2023 14:21

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 13:55

So my friendly placid dog has a young shrieking child run up behind them and grab at them and if he snaps it is my fault! Bloody control your children.

And that is the perfect example of why all dogs should be muzzled in public places. The owners just don't accept their responsibilities regarding public safety.

Show quote history

I am a responsible dog owner, shame the same can't be said of so many parents and their little darlings who can never do wrong.

No child should run up to a dog especially behind it. No need to shriek and screech although so many children seem incapable of not doing so. I am not talking little toddlers here although I don't want them running to me dog either.

How about having children on a lead so they can't run at dogs? That wouldn't go down well but muzzling every dog is unnecessary and never going to happen.

I have my dog on lead, close by my side. I do my part on being responsible. Parents need to take some responsibility too although so many of them don't

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 14:25

@Hoppinggreen

I always drive slowly in residential areas or anywhere a child might emerge from behind a parked car.

If I see kids playing/walking near a road or on an unfenced pavement, I will slow down and/or reposition my car towards the centre of the road to avoid a situation developing.

It's called safe driving.

My brother was run over as a ten year old. The driver was within the speed limit (doing 57 in 60 zone according to police skid tests). My brother looked the wrong way and stepped off the pavement.

That driver should have slowed down when he saw a child on the pavement, holding a football and waiting to cross the road, but looking the wrong way.

So, yes. Although he wasn't breaking the law and could claim that he was driving 'safely', in reality he was driving at an excessive speed on a road lined with houses. He failed to anticipate a developing hazard and my brother had part of his brain removed as a result. My family was destroyed by that event and my brother still lives with my dad who's now in his eighties.

Should he have been allowed to drive again? I don't think so. But forgive and forget, eh.

That road now has a 30mph limit.

Trying to deflect the risk posed by dogs onto that posed by traffic is, by the way, bollocks.

If you drove a car with dodgy brakes, but stuck a sign above the windscreen saying 'don't step out, the brakes are shit', would that absolve you of your responsibilities as the car owner/driver?

Twentypast · 02/02/2023 14:36

I have a fluffy cute dog - she's fully trained and I'm a responsible dog owner but I am also sick of (mainly) shrieking children running up to her.

She's having chemo - we need to be careful of all bodily fluids, including saliva for 48 hours after each treatment. I could see a 5 (or so) year old running up to her the day after his last chemo. Before he reached me I called out to stop and not touch her. His dad called me names and basically said I was selfish for not allowing a cuddle. I admit I was not in the best of moods and I gave him a lecture about allowing a child to run screaming up to a strange dog. Apparently I was still in the wrong - so I said, fine go ahead....she's radioactive but up to you. (She's not - chemotherapy breakdown products are eliminated from the body and we need to be careful but they're not radioactive).

OrlandointheWilderness · 02/02/2023 14:37

@pissssedofff I'm a dog owner. I would gladly, gladly welcome licensing or ownership tests, anything to ensure another person isn't killed by a dog.

Twentypast · 02/02/2023 14:41

OrlandointheWilderness · 02/02/2023 14:37

@pissssedofff I'm a dog owner. I would gladly, gladly welcome licensing or ownership tests, anything to ensure another person isn't killed by a dog.

So am I but considering how many dogs aren't even chipped and it's the law, it would be the same owners who won't register their dogs. My facebook is full of dogs picked up and taken to a vet for scanning who turn out not to be chipped. It's not the responsible owners who are causing these deaths.

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 14:43

Twentypast · 02/02/2023 14:41

So am I but considering how many dogs aren't even chipped and it's the law, it would be the same owners who won't register their dogs. My facebook is full of dogs picked up and taken to a vet for scanning who turn out not to be chipped. It's not the responsible owners who are causing these deaths.

Show quote history

This issue was discussed earlier in the thread. Loose unchipped dogs should, IMHO, be treated as strays and be automatically put down. It's the only way that the irresponsible owners will get their dogs chipped or ensure they're never loose on the street.

vodkaredbullgirl · 02/02/2023 14:46

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 14:43

This issue was discussed earlier in the thread. Loose unchipped dogs should, IMHO, be treated as strays and be automatically put down. It's the only way that the irresponsible owners will get their dogs chipped or ensure they're never loose on the street.

Show quote history

Most vets will not put a healthy dog down.

Cileymyrus · 02/02/2023 14:59

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 14:43

This issue was discussed earlier in the thread. Loose unchipped dogs should, IMHO, be treated as strays and be automatically put down. It's the only way that the irresponsible owners will get their dogs chipped or ensure they're never loose on the street.

Show quote history

Occasionally chips can migrate to other areas and not be picked up by a scanner.

they can also stop responding.

so a dog may have a chip which isn’t detectable, by no fault of the owner.

Why must the dogs be put down anyway? Why not seized and rehomed if appropriate?

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 15:02

The dog shouldn't be loose, though, should it?

We're talking about a combination of unchipped and loose.

A responsible owner would get a faulty chip replaced at the next vets visit.

Backstreet breeders pumping out Bully XLs wouldn't have any dogs chipped.

mydogisthebest · 02/02/2023 15:06

OrlandointheWilderness · 02/02/2023 14:37

@pissssedofff I'm a dog owner. I would gladly, gladly welcome licensing or ownership tests, anything to ensure another person isn't killed by a dog.

It could never be enforced though. Also far more children are killed by a parent or a step parent. What could be done about that?

ThisGirlNever · 02/02/2023 15:08

@mydogisthebest

Let me guess, more Bully XL 'nanny dogs' to protect the kids from their parents?

Whoever compared dog owners to the NRA was bang on the money.

Teaandtoast3 · 02/02/2023 15:10

vodkaredbullgirl · 02/02/2023 14:46

Most vets will not put a healthy dog down.

Show quote history

But I think more should consider it if a dog is reactive to the point of view that it can’t lead a normal life… especially dogs with biting history if unprovoked and 100% well.

I own a dog. I love dogs… but that’s my honest opinion.