Another dog attack- 4 year old killed. Devastating

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Just woke up to this news this morning. It's just so incredibly heartbreaking for all involved. Seems to be happening so much more than ever these days

You failed to answer the question regarding those that have eyesight issues or learning difficulties. A bright yellow collar isn't any form of solution.

A yellow collar gives a warning - they are used world wide.
There are also red collars for dangerous, and green collars for friendly.

The solution was that my dog was never let off lead, or unattended in public spaces. Therefore, if someone had eyesight issues or learning difficulties, I was always there to tell that no, they cannot touch her. It was my job to advocate for her, and that is what I did.

It cannot work both ways. If the argument is 'dogs need to be kept on leads so they can't run up to people' then the argument also needs to be 'random people cannot just approach any old dog they see'

My now adult dd's were always taught not to approach any dog. We had a dog that was blind and had a white lead with blind on it. He was kept on the lead all the time, when out for a walk.

It's the first I've heard of these collars, so outside the world of dog owners they are meaningless.

Guide dogs wear bright yellow collars. I've seen other dogs with them and assumed it was too make them more visible to cars, etc.

You're relying on something completely ineffective to warn people of a potential danger. Can you not see that?

With regards to people approaching your dog, it is your responsibility to ensure your dog doesn't attack anybody no matter what the (perceived) provocation. The fact a toddler approaching a dog is perceived by dog owners as the child's fault, speaks volumes. If there is any danger at all, of the child recieving anything other than a lick, your dog should be muzzled.

Due to the number of dog owners who seem to think it's acceptable to walk the streets with dogs that 'don't like being approached', I'm in favour of compulsory muzzling for all dogs in public places.

Well you know now.

I'll be sure to tell the other 66,999,999 other people in the country then.

As I said, fucking dog owners.

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Well if it's the first you've heard of them...🙄Guide dogs wear luminous harnesses, not collars.
It's hard to misunderstand what is and isn't a guide dog.
Again though, the idea is that you know not to approach the guide dog.

At no stage have I said a toddler approaching would be the toddlers fault - the fault lies with the parents.
Owners need to watch their dogs, parents need to watch their kids. It's not rocket science.

You are arguing about things that bare no relevance to the thread.

The only reason I mentioned it in the first place was as part of the argument that more education is needed regarding dogs, and part of that is parents passing on information to their children.
Do you know how many service dog users are put in danger by people thinking they can approach their dogs?
Do you realise how many random members of the public think they have a right to approach a dog because they find it cute? Members of the public can make training a dog to be neutral near on impossible, as they think they have a right to stroke any dog they want.

🙄fucking dog haters

Pretty sure many people have heard of the collars, not just dog owners.

No one should be approaching a dog to touch them without asking the owner first.

I have a big hairy dog and am sick of children running up to him shrieking and screeching and just grabbing hold of his fur, his tail or whatever.

I used to live very close to a primary school and had to stop walking him at start and finish times because of the amount of children that hassled him.

He is a very placid friendly dog but I don't want children running up to him and startling him

I actually love nice dogs.

It is the moronic owners that think their snarly, aggressive dogs are suitable for taking to the park and letting off lead, that I hate. And those that think it's other people's fault if they assume that if a dog is unmuzzled in public, the owner has zero concerns about the dog's safety.

Idiots that think a warning collar is in any way effective. How many people in Britain were born abroad and don't 'read' English? But they're expected to read and understand your warning collars?

It is terrifyingly low iq to consider this any sort of solution to a dog that you have concerns about.

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Our old dog was not interested in being approached by anyone she didn't know. She wore a collar quite clearly stating this. The amount of times I had to body block a child from going near my dog, whilst their parents looked on, was remarkable.

You're the one that seems to be surprised that your ridiculous collar was infective.

And those that think it's other people's fault if they assume that if a dog is unmuzzled in public, the owner has zero concerns about the dog's safety.

It is moronic to assume anything about any dog you don't know. You've been bleating on about the dangers of dogs for post after post, so the fact that no dog should be completely trusted is pretty much dogs for dummies, no?

Think PP would like all dogs on lead and all muzzled.

no dog should be completely trusted is pretty much dogs for dummies, no?

Yes. It is.

So that's why dummy dog owners should muzzle their mutts.

Children are incapable of assessing risk and can easily get excited, fail to listen and forget what they've been told or behave how they've been instructed to behave.

The onus is on dog owners to completely mitigate any risk to all members of the public - even those behaving in an irresponsible manner.

Ok.

Well, I believe the onus is on the parents. I've managed to prevent my children like acting like entitled dicks around dogs, I'm sure others could.

As I said, I managed to keep my dog and everyone else safe in the 12 years she was with us, so my idiotic, ridiculous measures were obviously fine.

My dog didn't kill my children, so the situation -both with the dog and with the home- were obviously very different to that of the horrors that poor little girl faced.

Enjoy your day....I'm off to walk the very friendly dog I now own. Wonder how many times I'll have to tell 'fucking non dog owners' that nope, they cannot touch him just because they find him cute 🙄

Bear in mind if you muzzle all dogs you’re removing their ability to communicate.

a big dog can still physically take out a toddler. If you’ve removed the dogs ability to show that they’re worried about too much contact, that dog is going to get increasingly anxious about small children being able to rush up to them and them not be able to communicate distress.

even muzzled if a 60kg, strong dog snaps a child could be left with serious bruises and broken bones.

so it wouldn’t mitigate all risk at all. In some dogs it may increase the risk at home or not in public where it can then do serious damage as it’s already on edge…

All the dogs that were bought during lockdown, at an impulse because people had nothing better to do, are now adults who haven't been trained correctly - and people wonder why fatal attacks are happening.

There needs to be compulsory training, licensing and restriction of certain breeds for owners. I don't care if your dog is 'soppy', sweet, tiny, big, cute, fluffy... if you aren't willing to have a proper training certification, and an owners licence, you don't get to have a dog.

I only need to walk through my local park to see the amount of dogs off lead, with absolutely no recall ability, and owners too busy chatting with friends/on their phones to even notice what the animal is doing. When they do call, the dog doesn't take a blind bit of notice.

That poor, poor child didn't stand a chance. The feckless owners should be thrown in prison.

even muzzled if a 60kg, strong dog snaps a child could be left with serious bruises and broken bones.

Much better than being mauled to death though, as a starting point.

I drove past a primary school the other morning where a woman that I think had just dropped of a young child to school was holding (struggling to hold) the lead of an XL bully type dog- it was very scary looking and barking, another set of parents where chatting to her admiring the dog out looked like as they were trying to pat it ND were all looking at it. The woman looked very thin, pale maybe unwell, malnourished even and had falling apart shoes, the dog on the otherhand looked well fed very strong and it did make me think quite apart from the horror of keeping that on a house with young children, aren't they expensive to look after, it was a deprived area and she really didn't look like she could afford it.

I didn't really understand why this dog was being admired by all the adults, despite all the bad news in the press, people still seem to want these dogs.

@ThisGirlNever .
I totally agree. The onus is on the dogs owner not on anyone else..

I completely agree children should be taught to never go near dogs and ask permission etc but the onus is always with the dogs owner.

Because they are thick as pigshit.

You’ve described perfectly the people in the area I live in.

The dog will be looking unhealthy soon too when they can’t be arsed to feed it properly.

Saw this dog a few weeks back. I know a few owners could do with this sign too!