Another dog attack- 4 year old killed. Devastating

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Just woke up to this news this morning. It's just so incredibly heartbreaking for all involved. Seems to be happening so much more than ever these days

It took an hour for fire arm's police to get in. They had to look into someone else's house to get an idea of the lay out. I'm wondering why they didn't shoot the dog from the neighbours house?
It sounds like they were extremely wary and scared of this dog.

Since March 2020 there have been 17 dog related deaths. Obviously not all of them have been children.

Of course that is awful but that number is extremely low compared with how many children have been killed in the same period by a parent or step parent. The number killed by a car will also, I am pretty sure, will be higher.

It's a shame that people don't have to pass a test to own a dog but then I think people should have to pass a test to have children. Anyone can have a child and yet so many just should not

It’s like the ‘thoughts and prayers’ every time there’s a school shooting in the US. Thoughts and prayers do fuck all. Let’s have action. Let’s learn. Let’s not let Alice die in vain. Let’s do what her mother should have and put her first.

No, you suggest stealing the dog and having it PTS in secret.
Then you said they should then take the body and repeatedly run over it with a car to make it look like an "accident".

I agree that there should be a test before people have children.

The problem with the dog vs cars argument is risk versus reward. Most people would agree that cars are necessary. These mutant dogs being locked in tiny gardens, never exercised or stimulated, and then left with vulnerable people? Not fucking necessary

If they’re looking at layouts of other houses presumably the dog was inside, possibly with other people present. If it took them an hour to “get in” then that would also suggest the dog was inside.

how are the police supposed to “just shoot the dog” from the neighbours house, through walls and round corners, without risk of hitting anyone else or risking their own lives going in the house.

If the poor girl was inside they may also not have known she was dead and not wanted to aggravate the dog in case she was alive and it caused further harm.

even if the dog was contained safely in the house with no other persons present better to take their time and plan properly than risk the dog escaping or not causing an attack on a police officer as well.

fools rush in and all that.

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Better to do nothing and put the child in danger then.

What on earth is to be gained by flattening a dog's corpse to mush with a car?
Are you going to suggest people to do to any dog they don't like the look of?

Ciley

I meant this is how dreadful this dog was that itntook an hour to get into the property to kill it.
I'm assumed it all took place in the garden but of course it could have gone inside as well...

Obviously this dog is dangerous but the child was small and young but the dog was so dangerous that it took an hour of getting fire arms there and careful planning to get in.

It's shows the scale of the issue.

It was a suggestion for a fearful grandparent who's grandson was scared to go home to a house with an XL Bully owned by the daughter's partner. The grandparent had stated that the parents wouldn't listen to reason and she was terrified of what might happen. I'd also be terrified.

So, frightened child that doesn't feel safe in own home. Frightened grandparent. Moronic parent placing their child at risk of the dog and it appears she has a history of picking partners that are a concern to social service - so the partner may also be a risk to the kid.

Having the dog put down on the sly seems the only solution - but I doubt the boyfriend would see it that way, so it would need to be done in a way that doesn't result in violence - hence the cover-up.

What are your solutions?

This is the most sensible post on the thread @QueenoftheAngles completely agree with everything you have said.

Frankly there needs to be anger and judgement and to wave that away as snobbery will mean we’ll see this happen again and again and again

We need judicial accountability for adults who allow their children to be put in harms way.

This rescue dog should never of been placed with such a young family, although it sounds like it shouldn’t have been placed with any family.

horrific, the pain that girl endured, just awful. Sweet dreams little one ❤️

Patiently no but who would take on as a pet,such dog.

I guess we will find out what on earth went on in due course.

I'e two way street.

This girl.
I've not read the whole thread but wouldn't that be social services?

Re small garden the garden looks very large

I read an on line article that said 10 people were killed by dogs last year.

Of the 10, 6 were bull breeds, 1 a husky. They didn't feel the need to say what the other 3 were.

I don't understand why. Surely by focusing on the fact that 7 of the 10 were what people can see as dangerous and/or risky, they are not getting the point across that any dog (well, sizeable dog) is capable of this.

When doing puppy classes with our dog our trainer sent some resources over for our children - including a song and video about when they should absolutely be leaving the dog alone, and signs that could mean the dog is uncomfortable. They didn't just use big, scary looking dogs. They used all sorts of dogs, dogs that are run of the mill, standard family pets.

I think that is so important...ANY dog can snap. Yes, some dogs wouldn't be able to cause the damage that some can, but the chance of fatality would also depend on the intended victim.

More education and research should be given/done by any would be dog owner.

And by parents to their children. Our old dog was not interested in being approached by anyone she didn't know. She wore a collar quite clearly stating this. The amount of times I had to body block a child from going near my dog, whilst their parents looked on, was remarkable. She was never aggressive, but I wouldn't ever have put a child, or her, at risk. You do not approach dogs without asking the owner first. This should be drilled in to every child as soon as they can walk around in public places.

The dog's very unlikely to have come directly from a UK rescue centre, with a young child in the family.
Sadly some dogs are placed somewhere seemingly suitable by a rescue then sold on.

I was not suggesting that cars be banned as that is never going to happen as cars are necessary.

What I am saying is that whilst any death of a child is awful why is it always when a dog is involved that so many people get so angry and demand dogs be banned?

The numbers of deaths caused by dogs is so much smaller than deaths caused by humans. I class deaths by car in that as they are driven by humans.

Obviously the dog haters are going always going to rant and rave but even non dog haters seem to often join in. People need to look at the facts.

Or.... How about all dogs are muzzled in public places.

How can you expect a toddler to read something written on a collar? What about those with learning difficulties or eyesight problems? If the dog isn't staying still, how can anybody read it?

Putting a warning on the collar of a potentially dangerous dog is a bullshit solution.

This girl was killed in her own back garden.

insisting dogs are muzzled in public would not have stopped any of the recent child deaths. Big dogs with children in family homes.

that’s where the priority risk lies. Trying to introduce draconian rules for all dog owners will be hard to pass, start with a focus where the risk is.

@ThisGirlNever are you ok hun? Everything alright at home?

I didn't expect a toddler to read. I expect the parents to be aware, in the same way that I am aware when I am out with my children. I also expect parents to teach their children not to approach unknown dogs.

A thick, luminous yellow collar with black writing isn't hard to miss, nor is it hard to miss someone trying to keep away from your child.

You failed to answer the question regarding those that have eyesight issues or learning difficulties. A bright yellow collar isn't any form of solution.

If you had any concerns about your dog, it should have been muzzled. Getting a warning collar is simply an attempt to shift the blame to the victim - 'it says on the collar not to approach the dog, so it's your fault'.

Fucking dog owners.

Fucking dog owners.

Fucking pricks on the internet that don't actually provide anything of substance, and only wish to jump on dog owners who actually have awareness of their pets, and aren't even part of the current problem.

You can't even see why you're a problematic dog owner.

'I bought a bright yellow collar. Everybody in my house knows what that means.'

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