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Another child killed by a dog

332 replies

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 31/01/2023 22:11

Breaking news now. When is this going to stop?

Rip little one.

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IDontCareMatthew · 01/02/2023 00:42

@XenoBitch no but they do give clues/signals

Clinging to a parent
Trying to run away
Standing still shocked
Climbing up onto benches etc

I'm always looking ahead, down side streets etc as we walk. Just to be aware

MrPoppysParka · 01/02/2023 00:43

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 00:41

whta has that got t do with this thread?
If you are AS me to get some dirt, you need to get a life

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then why did you ask me to prove it!

FloydPepper · 01/02/2023 00:43

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 00:41

whta has that got t do with this thread?
If you are AS me to get some dirt, you need to get a life

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I… erm… are you reading the thread? It’s an exchange that literally happened on his thread. It started as relevant to the subject, then someone did as you asked, proved what they’d said.

Sep200024 · 01/02/2023 00:43

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 00:40

I DO KEEP MY DOG AWAY ffs... and yet some kids and even adults get scared
My "crime" is walking my dog in the park.

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Not sure you’re managing to keep pace with even your own argument?

You said earlier you thought that children should just be kept indoors as a solution to the problem?

If you keep your dog well away, and clearly under control, the children don’t need to stay indoors

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 00:44

IDontCareMatthew · 01/02/2023 00:42

@XenoBitch no but they do give clues/signals

Clinging to a parent
Trying to run away
Standing still shocked
Climbing up onto benches etc

I'm always looking ahead, down side streets etc as we walk. Just to be aware

Yes, and we walk past and nothing happens.
Phobias are irrational, and something that needs work (I know that as I have some myself).
I do hope the parents of the kids who freak out at a passing dog do work on therapy etc

2023pending · 01/02/2023 00:45

And I hope in time these owners that can’t fathom anyone not wanting a dog around them start to respect peoples space and make sure their dog leaves people alone unless it’s clear the persons interested.

IDontCareMatthew · 01/02/2023 00:46

@XenoBitch which breed of dog do you have?

FloydPepper · 01/02/2023 00:46

Xenobitch, what about earlier poster explaining when kids play with and annoy dogs who aren’t happy that can be dangerous. Don’t you think a healthy respect for the fact dogs can be dangerous is a good thing.

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 00:47

IDontCareMatthew · 01/02/2023 00:46

@XenoBitch which breed of dog do you have?

A greyhound who I had as a pup

IDontCareMatthew · 01/02/2023 00:47

Don't go and visit anyone in prison.... my colleague is a dog. ( not mine) he is used within the prison as well as to sniff visitors ( for the obvious)

Kids included. You can see they are uncomfortable at times but it's necessary I'm afraid

2023pending · 01/02/2023 00:50

I think as a society we do need to start recognising more that dogs are animals and can turn. They’re not fur babies, this is partly why I’m quite against so many places now being dog friendly for anything other than service dogs. Anthropomorphising dogs and refusing to admit that they are animals isn’t doing anyone any good. Dogs must be fed up of it as well, it can’t be any fun for them going in restaurants and shopping centres etc, maybe the reduction in dog friendly places and increasing dog appropriate activities and areas would encourage owners to acknowledge that dog = dog instead of dog = baby

Maverickess · 01/02/2023 00:53

kitsuneghost · 01/02/2023 00:02

It is not your family. It's a dog. This attitude to dogs in the UK is extremely problematic. There are better ways to deal with mental health issues.

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It's possible to have mental health issues and also be a responsible dog owner.

It's possible to consider your dog family and be responsible as it's owner.

It's possible to love a dog, and still treat it like a dog and be it's responsible owner.

Dogs, alongside other animals, have health benefits both physically and mentally - and it's possible to have those benefits and also be a responsible owner.

It's not the responsible owners that love their dogs, call them family, have them for company, or are made to feel better by their presence that are the issue.
It's the owners who aren't responsible (even though they may still do all of the above) that don't meet the dogs needs, don't control it adequately, seek out known aggressive breeds for the reason that they are aggressive, have little or no knowledge and don't care to learn, or believe the world revolves around them and the dog becomes an extension of that, that are the issue.

Grimchmas · 01/02/2023 00:54

As a dog (and horse) owner I've coaxed a few scared kids to meet my animals to try to help them not be so fearful. Obviously I've only done this with dogs who I trust, and only with careful supervision and their parent/guardian's enthusiastic consent and involvement.

If a child is screaming at the mere sight of my dog, my dog will remain under my close control and we will get through/out of the situation ASAP, as the kid is too distressed, and distressing for my dog, to be able to do a safe meet & greet.

There's a weird few mumsnetters who think their kids should be able to run up to and grab any animal they don't know, without asking the handler's permission first. Even the best trained dog shouldn't have to put up with a bigger species getting in their personal space in a threatening way and not reading their communication signals. You may not be interested in teaching your children to understand basic animal warning signals, but kindly do keep your offspring properly under your control and out of our personal space just as much as I will keep my dog under my control and out of yours. That way your kids will stay safe and so will my dog.

2023pending · 01/02/2023 00:56

Grimchmas · 01/02/2023 00:54

As a dog (and horse) owner I've coaxed a few scared kids to meet my animals to try to help them not be so fearful. Obviously I've only done this with dogs who I trust, and only with careful supervision and their parent/guardian's enthusiastic consent and involvement.

If a child is screaming at the mere sight of my dog, my dog will remain under my close control and we will get through/out of the situation ASAP, as the kid is too distressed, and distressing for my dog, to be able to do a safe meet & greet.

There's a weird few mumsnetters who think their kids should be able to run up to and grab any animal they don't know, without asking the handler's permission first. Even the best trained dog shouldn't have to put up with a bigger species getting in their personal space in a threatening way and not reading their communication signals. You may not be interested in teaching your children to understand basic animal warning signals, but kindly do keep your offspring properly under your control and out of our personal space just as much as I will keep my dog under my control and out of yours. That way your kids will stay safe and so will my dog.

That’s what I’m instilling in my DD whilst she’s so fearful, to give the dog a wide birth and the dog will most likely do the same. As it’s not fair on anyone. (I’m so jealous you have horses, I’ve always wanted one!)

LastOfTheChristmasWine · 01/02/2023 01:02

2023pending · 01/02/2023 00:45

And I hope in time these owners that can’t fathom anyone not wanting a dog around them start to respect peoples space and make sure their dog leaves people alone unless it’s clear the persons interested.

Mine regularly offends people who do want to say hello to him 😂 Dogless dog lovers who sit on park benches and want to say hello to him, and he just blanks them and moves on. I have to apologise and tell them not to take it personally...

He did jump up at a stranger once, but on closer inspection it turned out she had an open packet of raw mince she was feeding her own dog by way of treats (odd) and ddog decided that mince was so spectacularly enticing he'd risk being stroked by a stranger for it. Can't blame him tbh.

I can't say I did anything to make him like that though; he was born this way (probably).

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 01:06

I am still waiting as to what I am meant to do when my on lead and minding her own business dog, freaks someone out by her mere existence.

Sep200024 · 01/02/2023 01:11

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 01:06

I am still waiting as to what I am meant to do when my on lead and minding her own business dog, freaks someone out by her mere existence.

Crumbs.

You just keep the dog close to you, on a short lead, and clearly under complete control.

Nothing else is expected.

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 01:13

Sep200024 · 01/02/2023 01:11

Crumbs.

You just keep the dog close to you, on a short lead, and clearly under complete control.

Nothing else is expected.

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And when a kid still screams? What then?

Sep200024 · 01/02/2023 01:21

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 01:13

And when a kid still screams? What then?

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Nothing.

Zone2NorthLondon · 01/02/2023 01:23

Floofyduffypuddy · 31/01/2023 22:41

We need specially trained police then to start a mission to look for dangerous dogs. ..

What police would that be?existing police specialist trained or new recruits solely looking for dogs? How’s it funded, resourced. It’s really not a valid suggestion

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 01:28

Sep200024 · 01/02/2023 01:21

Nothing.

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Well, tell the others that then, who insist my dog should stay in the confines of my own garden, despite the fact she is doing nothing.

musicalgymball · 01/02/2023 01:40

@XenoBitch

"I walk my dog in the local park and have had small children scream murder just when she walks past and minding her own business. Maybe their parent should be teaching them that a dog who is just walking past with their nose to the ground is not a threat."

Sorry what?

Do we accept that kids are a part of human society and that sometimes they scream and shout? Is an adult allowed to bite a child who starts screaming or having a tantrum in the street?

This line of reasoning is insane.
Toddlers scream.
Kids scream.
It's acceptable in human society for that to happen without that kid or toddler risking being mauled to death.

Killer dog breeds should be banned and if they're found to be owned illegally they should be put down.

We don't let tigers roam the streets or be kept on leashes by expert zoo keepers. Dangerous dog breeds should be completely banned.

Toddlers and babies are at maximum danger from these dangerous dogs but we should expect as a society to be able to have toddlers walking down the street with their parents and maybe throw a tantrum and scream without a dog attacking them or mauling them to death.

XenoBitch · 01/02/2023 01:47

musicalgymball · 01/02/2023 01:40

@XenoBitch

"I walk my dog in the local park and have had small children scream murder just when she walks past and minding her own business. Maybe their parent should be teaching them that a dog who is just walking past with their nose to the ground is not a threat."

Sorry what?

Do we accept that kids are a part of human society and that sometimes they scream and shout? Is an adult allowed to bite a child who starts screaming or having a tantrum in the street?

This line of reasoning is insane.
Toddlers scream.
Kids scream.
It's acceptable in human society for that to happen without that kid or toddler risking being mauled to death.

Killer dog breeds should be banned and if they're found to be owned illegally they should be put down.

We don't let tigers roam the streets or be kept on leashes by expert zoo keepers. Dangerous dog breeds should be completely banned.

Toddlers and babies are at maximum danger from these dangerous dogs but we should expect as a society to be able to have toddlers walking down the street with their parents and maybe throw a tantrum and scream without a dog attacking them or mauling them to death.

A kid screaming because they see a dog is scared.. and that is something the parent needs to deal with. My dog is just minding her own business.
I don't have a "killer breed" anyway. The kid that is screaming has more teeth than my hound.

musicalgymball · 01/02/2023 01:47

If there is any contention at all between the freedom of dogs and toddlers being able to walk down the road, which may entail that toddler having a little emotional breakdown, running after a pigeon whatever ... the toddler's needs need to win every time.

There is no amount of requiring people to be better parents that will stop a toddler from screaming at least sometimes and there is no society I want to live in where an acceptable result of this is that child being bitten or attacked by a dog.

Human babies and children are more valuable than dogs

Teaandtoast3 · 01/02/2023 01:54

I don’t have my lab off lead. She’s lovely, and I’m sure she would come back but I can’t control the environment around her… so she stays on her lead unless it’s a field we’ve rented.

The only trouble we’ve ever had with other dogs have been when they’ve been off lead, are jumping around my dog like nutters… and they are obviously in our space.

I personally do agree with leash laws but that wouldn’t have saved this poor poppet. It’s incredibly sad.