OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

Lack of compassion! No just not embarrassingly gullible and taken in by other peoples agendas as I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

@FrostyNethers How does a teenage boy from Eritrea get paperwork that would allow him to leave the country if he’s conscripted into the military/forced labour?

This screenshot is US based guidance but gives some reasons for lack of ID that should be blindingly obvious. And no, it’s not about being “naive” and “believing everybody”. It’s about having an awareness of what’s happening in other countries and on the journey to the UK.

@FrostyNethers What do you think it is? That they’re all fleeing a war zone?

First time I heard there was a war in Albania !

@ShelaghsCottage FrostyNethers was being sarcastic 😂 There’s no war in Albania, that’s correct, but there is a massive problem with blood feuds and trafficking. Do you think the UK should deny protection to boys and men who are trafficked into modern slavery in the UK, and girls and women from Albania who are trafficked into forced prostitution in the UK just because their country isn’t at war?

Good news if you do think so, as govt often fails to recognise male victims of trafficking as victims and tries to prosecute them as criminals. Unfortunately, this leads to victims of trafficking not being able to come forward (as they’ll be arrested, not helped) and allows criminal trafficking gangs to escape detection.

There seems to be an awful lot of confusion as to who we are talking about.

Is it refugees, asylum seekers or economic migrants ?

It seems Albania is scoring well here:

www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/512/modern-slavery-referrals-by-small-boat-migrants-2018-2022

Is there though? Who’s confused? I know the government and the far right often get the terminology wrong, often on purpose.

Refugee: A person fleeing war or persecution who has successfully sought asylum - in the UK, this means their asylum claim has been granted.

Asylum seeker - a person fleeing war or persecution who is still waiting for their claim to be assessed

Economic migrant - a person who legally travels to another country, for eg on a seasonal work visa to earn money. Economic migrants tend to avoid small boats due to the danger to life and the risk of being caught up in the UK asylum system where you are banned from working.

Illegal immigrant - a person who has entered the country via an irregular route and not presented to the authorities, or a person who has overstayed a legal visa, or who has a arrived on a fake/forged visa or passport.

“Illegals” - right wing, divisive trope

Can you clarify which ones of us you think are confused and why?

(Fun fact re Albania - the UK and Albanian govts are supposed to be working together to reduce the number of Albanians coming to the UK. Except the UK Home Office’s recent language about Albanians angered the Albanian minister for foreign affairs so much that any work together now risks being jeopardised. Well done them!)

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@BewareTheLibrarians I know the government and the far right often get the terminology wrong, often on purpose.

Really? Do they issue crystal balls to Guardian Readers now?

Not that I’m aware of. It’s pretty clear to when you look at the definitions that describing asylum seekers (who have by definition presented themselves to the authorities) as “illegal” immigrant isn’t actually true or factual. You’d hope that facts would matter to the government, but it seems they’d rather misrepresent. Sorry, is it wrong for people to point out falsehoods and misconceptions?

please just keep in mind, statistics stating that most asylum seekers that have their claim to be children medically assessed, are found to be adults are only talking about those individuals who have their claim to be a child medically assessed - and that only happens if they claim to be a child while presenting as an adult. The vast majority of individuals claiming to be children are not medically assessed, as they clearly are children

@Nimbostratus100 The vast majority of individuals claiming to be children are not medically assessed, as they clearly are children

Link please

Wrt to Albania it seems our acceptance rate, along with Canada, is high but 0 in other comparable countries.

I’m reading Germany is 0 France is 2.3 and U.K. 55%. 0 quite frequent

Not sure how these figures can about. What’s the difference in law or other

I was quoting a previous poster.

I was pointing out, that even if that were true, the only ones medically assessed are the ones presenting as adults

Most children who claim to be children clearly are children, and are not assessed

@BewareTheLibrarians It’s pretty clear to when you look at the definitions that describing asylum seekers (who have by definition presented themselves to the authorities) as “illegal” immigrant isn’t actually true or factual.

Pretty clear to who?

Where are the wars that these asylum seekers are fleeing? Certainly not in Europe !

Are there records kept as who claims to be what and whether or not that was accurate?

Links, please

I think the great thing is that since we have left the EU we have been able to tak control of our own boarders and so it is entirely the responsibility of boarders from the Royal Navy and other UK services to board and sieze these boats. We do not not want foriegn boarders boarding boats in our Channel (the clue is in the name).

You can’t think of any countries where there are wars or individuals may be persecuted? Not sure why you’re making a comment about Europe, there is no restrictions saying you are only allowed to claim asylum within your own continent.

You keep asking for links, and when people provide them you no longer engage with that discussion and move to a different point. It makes it look like your engagement in the conversation is not genuine, and some may believe you are being deliberately obtuse.

Pretty clear to who?

Anyone who has taken the time to learn anything about the law?

Asylum seekers claiming to be children are not ‘medically assessed’ though. The Merton test does not involve any medical checks. It is an interview with social workers.

o, in my experience it is quite often a dental examination

and sometimes a set of scales that assess fat to muscle ratio

@ShelaghsCottage have you considered googling? The definitions are easily available online. It’s not a left wing conspiracy 😁 It’s also not really my job to educate you, and quite honestly, the tone and constant “links please” without acknowledging the content of what you’re asking for is not really making me want to be very helpful.

Anyway, with the last of my goodwill. Asylum seekers don’t just flee war, that’s never been the case. They also flee from persecution, and there are also people who are trafficked against their will. Lots of info easily available online about this from Amnesty, Red Cross, Refugee Council and JCWI.

There’s no obligation for asylum seekers to stop in the first safe country, and countries that we consider safe aren’t actually safe for asylum seekers - their camps are routinely destroyed by French authorities (funded by UK govt) Here’s a link or 3! 😉

www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/07/france-degrading-treatment-migrants-around-calais

Not too safe here either:
www.hrw.org/news/2016/05/10/turkey-border-guards-kill-and-injure-asylum-seekers

Or here:
www.arabnews.com/node/2058626/amp

For your last question, the Home Office publishes their guidelines online, so if you want to know any specifics, that’s probably the best place to look.

@BewareTheLibrarians You keep asking for links, and when people provide them you no longer engage with that discussion and move to a different point.

No, that is incorrect as no posters other than yourself have provided links to me.

There have been only 3 links (and a cut-and-paste) .

One link was to the refugee council that raises funds by telephone canvassing.

@BewareTheLibrarians There’s no obligation for asylum seekers to stop in the first safe country, and countries that we consider safe aren’t actually safe for asylum seekers

This may well be true but with the best will in the world we cannot seriously assimilate people at the rate they are arriving.

www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2020/05/11/arrivals-via-deadly-and-illegal-channel-crossing-from-safe-countries

Please tell me your solution?

Uh @ShelaghsCottage that quote is from a different poster pointing out that you seem to be ignore the content of my links. Not me.

“Only” 3 links? That answered that question you asked and provided further information. Jesus. How many did you want?

Refugee Council do a lot of great work supporting refugees and asylum seekers, and raising awareness. They are a (leading) charity so criticising them for working like a charity isn’t really a valid point. But that’s another good deflection isn’t it, rather than accepting that the information you posted was (through no fault of your own which I’ve already said) incorrect.

yes, of course we can, you know that our population of working age adults is falling and will continue to fall, dont you?

Link detailing Age Assessment process for Home Office staff:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1119545/Assessing_age.pdf