OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

How would you keep them safe? Ie where would they be housed and how would you stop them being picked up

@Kabalagala Well what does children usually mean? The definition doesn't change because they're "foreigners".

Legally anyone under 18 is a 'child' which is a pretty wide group.

I've just found this, so have answered my own question.

New methods for determining age are being introduced by the Home Office:
www.gov.uk/government/news/home-office-to-introduce-scientific-methods-for-assessing-the-age-of-asylum-seekers.

Please note this paragraph-

This is a significant issue. In the 12 months up to September 2021, of the 1,696 resolved age dispute cases in which an individual’s claim to be a child is disputed, around two thirds were found to be adults.

Thank goodness not everyone thinks that way - otherwise the system would be in an even worse state.

I would give more resources to the police to focus on finding the people who traffic children.

See, I see it the other way. I think the system is like this BECAUSE the government just keep handing out these roles regardless of whether the ministers have any interest/capability/experience. If more of them understood their limits and actually sought help from the people who are experts and stopped trying to appeal to people with random views and no background information (ie voters) we would br in a better place

It would however be useful to know how many are u8s, 8-11, 11-16 and 16-18

Because the provision required for each group is different.

This is a significant issue. In the 12 months up to September 2021, of the 1,696 resolved age dispute cases in which an individual’s claim to be a child is disputed, around two thirds were found to be adults

That means that of those whose age was in dispute (a subset of arrivals) in one third of cases those concerns were unfounded. It doesn't tell us that masqueraders are a major proportion of all arrivals.

They aren't putting 9 year olds into hotels.

There are over 30 children who have just started at a primary school local to me who are staying in a hotel for asylum seekers so yes, they are putting children aged 9 and younger into hotels.

County lines and grooming gangs routinely pick children up from local authority care homes or foster carers. The authorities can't imprison the child.

You are missing a couple of details;

They have no documentation and claim to be children (often they are found to be adults - I think recently there was a home office report that 70% of "child" claimants are found to actually be full adults).

They are already in/involved with the criminals before arriving. The organised gangs bring them here, then make them into slaves to "pay" for passage into the UK.

None of this is OK, and is clearly abhorrent, but not quite "children being snatched off the street"

The article says that 136 child asylum seekers have been reported missing at some point and 79 remain missing.

How many children have been reported missing from local authority care over a similar period? How many of those stay missing?

(Genuine question - because if this is a wider issue than asylum seeker children, it needs different solutions)

"They have no documentation and claim to be children (often they are found to be adults - I think recently there was a home office report that 70% of "child" claimants are found to actually be full adults)"

This is wrong

Another poster has linked the Home Office report above

Of those whose age was in dispute - 2/3 were shown to be over 18

That is a subset of asylum seeking children. Just those who look older - and of them 1/3 were u18

If you actually had zero tolerance for irregular entry, the problem would be far less than now.

The more successful they are in getting their clients to the UK, the more will come. And don’t think for a moment that the authorities in the UK have the ability to protect them

Why does everything need overhauling ? Be it NHS or this, nothing is fit for purpose. What’s happened to this country that nothing really works…

A friends dd works with thé said minors. They claim it’s uncles etc and they’re going to visit/live with them
dna tests take a while or aren’t done? Can’t remember
but it’s frigging dreadful

How many of you getting riled up on this thread would actually be willing to foster a 17 year old male child?
Giving him free reign around your home and potentially integrating him with your existing much younger children.
Don't forget - statistically children come to most harm from an unrelated male moving into their home.
It seems the idealists amongst us have learned nothing from those who housed Ukrainian refugees (and they were women and young children!) There were countless threads on here about the placement breaking down and homeowners being stuck with people disrespecting their home.
Yes it's sad if a child genuinely finds themselves stuck in this situation however an awful* *lot of them are not children, even the ones not lying about their age are not far off 18.
More should be done to stop them arriving here in the first instance, we shouldn't even have to be discussing using an already overstretched care system or hotels to house them.

Are they with their family though?
They put homeless uk families into hostels with young kids

I am not condoning housing of families in hotels/ bed and breakfast places/ hostels
Just pointing out that unfortunately we don’t have enough appropriate accommodation for the homeless families from the Uk either

I would be shocked if a 9 yo was placed in such a property alone.

Braverman will no doubt know but she probably just doesn’t give a shit, look up the video of her replying to woman who was a Holocaust survivor and was calling her out on the language she uses about asylum seekers.

Agree with this.

Proper care, proper monitoring, not using hotels in desperation due to your rotten infrastructure. A facility can be safe/secure for minors and still be pleasant - if that is what is wanted by the state.

When we have some parents on this site who can't protect/control their own children, what hope is there for protecting other peoples' children when you have a language/culture barrier thrown into the mix?

It's all part of their business model. All this outrage because we want to stop this human trafficking across the channel, and people saying this (me) are labelled racist. This human trafficking has very little to do with asylum seekers and more to do with crime, prostitution, drug dealing etc. But let's carry on blocking efforts to stop it, and carry on importing crime and carry on exploiting vulnerable people.

Why does everything need overhauling ? Be it NHS or this, nothing is fit for purpose. What’s happened to this country that nothing really works… Conservatives have done this deliberately over the last 13 years. What has happened is the 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019 elections.

What is proper monitoring?

If gang leaders are threatening harm to family unless picked up what are you doing to keep them in?

Pretty much everyone wants to stop the trafficking across the channel - except the government. The government's approach makes trafficking more likely. Proper safe routes would push the unsafe routes out of business.

Those who want to shut the borders entirely are racist, IMO, as there is no reason to do that unless you believe everyone coming from overseas is undesirable. Those who want to put in place a functional system including safe routes + tougher action against trafficking are not racist.