The death penalty is unpopular on here but ...TW child abuse

[Tamarindtree]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11652805/Couple-face-jail-torturing-children-starving-pushing-boiling-showers.html

Lengthy sentences don’t cut it for me. Whilst in prison they can eat, laugh, sing, feel warm and have medical and dental care etc as well as relive and relish in their minds their evilness towards the children.

The children have a lifetime of healing.

Humans killing humans. No matter what anyone has done I can't support that.

I read about this earlier, sickening isn’t it? 😞 Stuff like this provokes raw emotion in us and it makes us - me, anyway - feel impotent against this kind of evil.

Personally, I’m against the death penalty. But it’s not because I’m especially interested in the wellbeing of individuals like this, it’s more that I can’t support a system that gives the power to take a life.

We’ve seen so many times that the justice system is imperfect, mistakes are made and prejudices exist - even one mistaken death penalty is too much. I hope that makes sense.

Lengthy sentences don’t cut it for me.

It's not up to you though, so this is irrelevant.

Because you can't use one highly (horrific) and emotive case to create a policy where it is ok to take human life if we say so. How many people are on death row in the US for crimes they didn't commit?

edition.cnn.com/2021/03/21/politics/innocent-former-death-row-inmates/index.html

The very human need for revenge should not be codified into law. Yes they can be warm and have needs met, prison is the loss of freedom, a punishment.

I haven't read the link sorry, so sick of reading about horrifying things.

Still not in favour of the death penalty.
And these people are not getting off lightly any time soon in prison, are they?

Trust me, they will not have an easy time of it in prison. Their lives will be made a living hell.

I don’t agree with the death penalty.

Death penalty is never, never OK. Doesn't matter what crime has been committed.

I support the death penalty for certain criminals.Child murderers especially.

how do you handle the wrongly convicted/executed?

Why would you want to cut short their sentence? Prison is not fun at all.

We don't take lives for a reason. The justice system isn't flawless.

I don’t understand any rational person that believes in the death penalty.

It’s revenge, not justice.

Your anger and disgust is justified, but it's a common myth among death penalty supporters that those who oppose it do so out of soft-heartedness, or sympathy for the offender.

Most of us oppose the death penalty for rather more substantial reasons; the fact that no judiciary is ever foolproof enough to be worth the risk to innocent people, the corrosive effect that state-sanctioned killing has on the collective psyche, the fundamental conviction that killing is wrong, and that revenge should not be the guiding principle of justice. The death penalty harms everyone, not just the offender. It's a step backwards that no society should take.

Im all for it!
Half the time a lengthy sentence is maybe 10 years, so 10 years and they could be out free to harm other children! No fucking way.

In fact id love them to have everything done to them that those poor children went through, eating soap, boiling baths and showers, starved etc.

Prison isn’t fun, although since you’re a DM reader I’m not sure you’re intelligent enough to understand the basics.

thankfully we will never have the DP back

People don’t decide whether or not to abuse their children based on the punishment for doing so. No child abuser thinks to themselves “better treat my child well and not hurt them because I might get the death penalty if I do.” So it’s both an ineffective deterrent, costs a fortune to administer, and leaves the rest of us living in a state which is happy to snuff out the lives of its citizens.

Yes, the death penalty isn't a deterrent. And if you have the DP for rape, then a rapist may as well kill their victim, since there can be no escalation of punishment.

A test of people's commitment to the death penalty is to ask: If you were fitted up and you were sentenced to death, would you still think it is ok? If you are that "mistake" that will happen (because mistakes will definitely happen)

The ultimate hypocrisy: planning, preparing, equipping and carrying out the very same crime for which the condemned is executed - pre-meditated cold blooded armed murder.

The death penalty turns a culture, a community, a country into despots.

And it turns a civil servant - the executioner - into a serial killer.
Who trains them?

The death penalty is useless - it's not a deterrent, otherwise how could there be so many murderers in the USA?

Miscarriages of justice happen - and some sectors of that community are more likely to be sentenced to death. Especially if they're poor.

And many prisoners are on death row for years, in prison anyway.

Regressing to the death penalty for any reason would be a slide down the human rights scale.

I don't understand why people think prison is some sort of holiday camp. I don't see people, even wretched homeless people in this weather, who in some cases will be ex-prisoners-41% according to Crisis, queuing to get back in. If there is all this laughing, singing and nice food, they would be.

www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/law-and-rights/prison-leavers/#:~:text=In%20our%20Nations%20Apart%20report,commit%20crime%20to%20avoid%20homelessness.

What about people like Stefan Kiszko-don't Google if easily upset-who served 16 years for the sexual assault and murder of a small child, before DNA evidence resulted in the real killer being convicted. I bet people would have wanted the death sentence for him.

Or Barry George. Jill Dando was a very popular presenter. He had his conviction overturned.

"Humans killing humans. No matter what anyone has done I can't support that.*
I agree completely. I hope we are better than that. In no circumstances do two wrong things make something right. Revenge is never a good motivation for a justice system however heinous the crime

I'm not especially against the death penalty for certain crimes, but would prefer to see a better justice system and more appropriate (longer) prison sentences. İt makes a nonsense of the law when robbery gets a longer sentence than rape for example, and why they still bother using the term life sentence I don't understand, when it means just 10 or 15 years.

Not the point of the post, but what what the couple's relationship to the children? The article doesn't say.

I'm a prison nurse and can assure you it is no holiday camp

Yes you will always see them having 3 meals a day , roof over their head and access to healthcare etc , some have access to education and the gym - that's 40 minute of an otherwise locked up 23 hr day

What you don't see much of is the low quality food , the cell conditions , the regime , the bullying , harassment , assaults , regular deliberate self harm , mental health deterioration

I am in favour of the death penalty for certain crimes but the process would be impossible to manage so will never happen

How about convicted murders who on release went on to murder again, 22 recorded cases of that. And there are criminals who murdered three times !. All those people would’ve still be alive if the original murders had faced a rope.

Personally I feel if you take another life , for no reason, then you forfeit your own.

I also agree with this.

The death penalty is state-sanctified murder
Killing others diminishes our humanity
When people say they are in favour of the death penalty, it is not they who will need to carry out the executions. Someone else will carry that on their conscience.

George Orwell was in favour of the death penalty until the day he saw a man side-step a puddle on the way to the gallows…