The death penalty is unpopular on here but ...TW child abuse

[Tamarindtree]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11652805/Couple-face-jail-torturing-children-starving-pushing-boiling-showers.html

Lengthy sentences don’t cut it for me. Whilst in prison they can eat, laugh, sing, feel warm and have medical and dental care etc as well as relive and relish in their minds their evilness towards the children.

The children have a lifetime of healing.

I think anyone who is willing to carry out the death penalty probably shouldn't be allowed to, because there is likely something wrong with their moral compass as well.

In theory I agree with the death penalty for certain crimes, but the thought of it actually happening makes me feel physically sick.

Having said that, if someone harmed my children, they'd want to hope for a lengthy jail sentence so I couldn't get to them first.

I'm pretty ambivalent about the death penalty. But I find it an easy way out for people like this.
In all honesty, I'd prefer them to be tortured. I'd prefer them to live a long life in absolute abject misery and pain.
So, yes, imprisoned. But without basic standards of care and comfort.

I can't add anything to this, other than to say: exactly.

The death penalty is sinking to the level of the criminal; taking a human life.

It isn't a deterrent (look at America) and it's not justice; it's plain old revenge.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Colin Pitchfork is free to walk out the front gates and resume his life. Just take a minute and imagine what those two girls went through. Yes, he did it twice !. And he walks free, probably with an official change of name and a secret location. How is that a forward step for society?

I haven’t read the article because it’s a dm link however, for those who are in favour of the death penalty, could you do it?

Could you tell your children that you kill people for a living?
The rate of mental breakdown among those who carry out the death penalty is extremely high,

Also in countries where the death penalty is legal the conviction rate is often lower because jurors are less likely to convict if it means that they are essentially going to be responsible for another human’s death.

It's a valid point you're making, but I would still argue that the death penalty isn't the answer.

I think we need a radical overhaul of our approach to criminal justice, personally. Imprisonment should only be used to protect society from those who pose a significant risk of harm; not as a catch-all for all crime. Those who have committed serious violent crimes, especially multiple, premeditated violent crimes, should be accommodated away from society on a permanent basis. They should still be treated humanely and have their basic human rights respected, but they should not be offered the opportunity to reoffend. Fewer and smaller prisons, with longer sentences for those who really need to be in them. Alternative, community-based responses to white-collar and non-violent crime.

We can protect the innocent from recidivist murderers without resorting to state-sanctioned killing, and that, as a civilised society, is what we should be doing.

How about convicted murders who on release went on to murder again, 22 recorded cases of that. And there are criminals who murdered three times !. All those people would’ve still be alive if the original murders had faced a rope.
Personally I feel if you take another life , for no reason, then you forfeit your own.

If you didn't read what people wrote, nobody can help you.

I volunteer you to be the first miscarriage of justice and have the death penalty. It might make you agitate the brain cells a bit.

We are talking about the death penalty here. Not the justice system.

innocenceproject.org/exonerations-data/

of 241 people exonerated by the US justice system - 10% of them had been sentenced to death. There's 24 people who would have been executed because the justice system doesn't always work.

I work in a men's prison and agree with the above.,you have no idea what prison life is like until you are in one.....ours is bloody grim! It's no picnic I assure you

But you want us to have a "death row"?

Can you imagine how difficult and expensive that would be? What about the staff expected to manage those people? How would you fit a death row into current scenario?

Who do you suggest enacts those punishments? What do you think their mental health would look like after each day at work – what kind of people would they become?

Your post also suggests it’s OK to do those things if you think the person deserves it: the same mentality this couple had against the children.

So I'm expected to spend a 10 hour shift dealing with this person then am I?

You are going to work in the conditions you want to impose on the prisoner I assume?

Ok but were they those kids biological parents? How did they get access to them? Neighbours thought there weren't any children at the house

No, that's my point. Don't 'deal with them'. Don't waste time and resources on them.
Shove them in a room with a hole in the floor for their toilet.
Feed them twice a day on plain rice and tinned vegetables.
A bucket of warm water and a bar of soap three times a week for their washing.
No 'outside time'.
No TV.
No spending time with other prisoners.
No common rooms.

These people deserve nothing. They should get nothing.

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It deliberately doesn't say, to avoid identifying the children. For the same reason it would be wrong to speculate about it here.

The Stefan Kiszko case was even worse than @Alicetheowl posted because the police knew he couldn't have been guilty. He had learning disabilities and they coerced a confession out of him knowing they were letting the real criminal go free.

And given what we're currently hearing about the Met, the last thing we should be doing is bringing back the death penalty.

But we have a code of conduct, prison law. All the legalities

We cannot do what you suggest, that's just a knee jerk, emotional reaction.

Someone with nothing to lose is likely to become a staff assaulter... we have enough of that as it is!
What about everyone else in this prisoners life? Parents, legal team as well as staff.

No matter what someone has done, I for one cannot sit back and watch another human being treated as you suggest.....and neither could you ...

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Same.

Touched a nerve?

And you'd be happy living next door to your local prison torturer, would you?

Death is a very way out.

I don’t need any bodies help or my brain cells agitating, certainly not by a patronising self righteous smatchet like you.

Fair enough.

You haven't addressed miscarriages of justice here. To be fair not many others have.

So, a question to the "they should be tortured" or "they should be in a cell with a hole for a toilet and slop twice a day"

What do you do about miscarriages of justice? What happens when the truth comes out and someone you have tortured (and that cell is a torture instrument) or worse, executed, what then?