The death penalty is unpopular on here but ...TW child abuse

[Tamarindtree]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11652805/Couple-face-jail-torturing-children-starving-pushing-boiling-showers.html

Lengthy sentences don’t cut it for me. Whilst in prison they can eat, laugh, sing, feel warm and have medical and dental care etc as well as relive and relish in their minds their evilness towards the children.

The children have a lifetime of healing.

Especially when they show no remorse.

The wording of the articles about them is very strange. It doesn;t specify that they were their children. Were these children fostered by them?

To my mind that isn't so much an argument for the death penalty as an argument for longer “life” sentences/ view about the need to revise the justice system.
I think this is needed but it isn't the central theme of this thread about state killing.

there are some quite simplistic binary arguments going on in this thread as though (if you consider all our justice systems to be to soft on crime) it's the death penalty or 6 months in a luxury all-mod-cons hotel-like "prison". Which it isn't of course.
There are arguments that could, and should, be made for revising sentencing guidelines.

You didn’t actually answer the question. How many innocent people are you willing to have executed to allow for error? You can set someone free from prison if wrongly convicted, but you can’t bring them back from the dead.

A justice system should be based on rehabilitation. Countries with this approach seem to have success.

The issues are people who turn out to be innocent because it does happen, it's an easier way out and the person who has to pull the trigger, so to speak, may never recover from it, however, I'd happily put these two down without feeling bad about it, if that means there's something wrong with my moral compass then so be it.

"it's revenge not justice"

Is it justice? How?

Op in cast iron cases like this I agree it's a shame we can't do it.

It's also the cost and time of supporting them for the rest of their lives.
We can barely look after people in care , the elderly. I wish there was a way to simply get rid of them.
It may not stop child abuse but we could put the money into care for children instead.

I don't see it as justice to keep them in prison though for the lives they have totally robbed who will never recover.

@Whatalife88

Yes it does happen but sometimes we know through a combination of witness,science etc it's true.

Me too.

What they did was disgusting. Over 4 years. They obviously got enjoyment out of it.They don't deserve anything apart from being put down like humans put dogs down for doing wrong.

Hard cases make bad law.

Well if the alternative is innocent people dying in prison on a life sentence, it’s much of a muchness really

Sledgehammer

A life sentence means that organisations who investigate miscarriages of justice can get someone released. That should be obvious - it's what happened to Stefan Kiszko, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4 - the list is lengthy. If you execute someone, you can't bring them back if they're found to be innocent.🙄

I’m guessing not as it says the male was a known sex offender

He has killed himself in prison.

Jobs a good un.

Good.

Heard today Glitter is out after doing half his sentence. What is the point of passing a. Sentence if they only do half?
Id have no qualms about the death penalty for murders, rapists and child abusers.

Rember Op

Once other prisoners get to find who and what they did to their children, whilst inside,

Their lives inside will be really shit for them, as they be constantly watching their backs,

Once their is unguarded moment,

They will be target's for prisoners who loathe hate child sex offenders and child abusers /child killers

They are going to be Crapping themselves those two,

Especially some prisoners are parents themselves

Our own feelings about criminals doesn’t really matter. It’s about what we do. Whether or not they deserve to die is debatable, whether or not we have the right to take life is not debatable. Otherwise where does it stop? Some countries kill others for being gay. For being women who have become ‘dishonorable’ by just being accused of having sex out of marriage, for practicing other religions. No civilised country can be putting its citizens to death.

The real problem is that unfortunately there are just not enough prison spaces for those who are sexually interested in children and the sentences are short.

Sex offenders and children are hopeless cases. You cant rehabilitate or fix them. All you can do is lock them up. None of them should get community sentences for possession of pictures of child abuse. There a lot of men who fall into that last category and they should be in prison.

I'm glad this evil sexual sadist man is dead.

I don't want to be part of a state that sanctions murder, regardless of the crime committed.

Death penalty is no more murder than prison is kidnapping.

Don't support it due to risk of wrongful conviction. Then again, sometimes there is no doubt someone did the crime. And not everyone deserves to be rehabilitated, they should just be punished.

Can't even bring myself to read that article, the words in the url tell me enough.

I am morally against the death penalty. However for people like this, the reason I'd never want them to be killed is that it just seems too easy. They deserve very long, but very miserable lives imo.

To see people like this kill themselves, I just feel irritated that they had the final say/control over their lives. Does that make any sense?

I realise what I've just said is fairly twisted and immoral, but I just cannot fathom evil like these types of people.

To be clear, I do not support the death sentence in any circumstances. However, for anything short of a murder, capital punishment is actually an incentive to murder. Yes, these children will need a lot of help and many years to recover, if they do fully recover. But they are alive. And were therefore able to tell an adult what was happening and to testify. If victims aren't alive, then they can't report or identify their attackers. All the evidence historically and currebtly, suggests that the death sentence does not act as a deterrent for any crime, but that if the sentence for a lesser crime (such as rape) is death, then perpetrators may as well kill their victims as there is a chance that they will get away with it, and there is no further penalty that can be imposed anyway.

What you want is not justice, it is state sanctioned revenge. I have never seen the point in telling such people that they can have it if they are prepared to carry it out - the fact is that this is mob rule and of course they are willing to carry it out if there are enough other people with them so they don't take sole responsibility. Vigilantes can always justify their behaviour.

And if you think that jail is easy for child abusers, you clearly don't know much about jails. Even amongst criminals, there are hierarchies.