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Thread 4 - TalkExiles: "The Planet Goes On Being Round"

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Kucinghitam · 13/01/2023 17:17

Continuation of previous lifeboat threads 1 & 2 & 3.

Gather here all ye refugees from the JTT Flat Earth Society, welcome to the reassuringly oblate spheroid of MN! Ye all already know the answers to the questions "How the heck do I format my post?" "Why can't I edit my typos?" "What do those acronyms mean?" and most importantly, "Where is everybody that I used to know?"

So really we're all here just to chat randomly.

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DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 25/01/2023 15:58

The people in the other place are cool with all that stuff, it's just me saying that I find their smug appeasement sinister that upsets them. Their self-appointed spy will probably screenshot that to create more outrage!

MissLawls · 25/01/2023 16:12

Their self-appointed spy will probably screenshot that to create more outrage!

Fine. Doesn't bother me. I mean what they gonna do 'bout it!? Ban us from a talkboard we've all left!? Report us to our employers - Dear Spy, I am retired. Report me to the DWP for WRONGTHINK and see what happens.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 25/01/2023 16:33

I've been continuing to post in places there I always posted, taking the ban to be issue-specific. But then they started talking about the issue. Very odd - no one who has an alternative view can express it there - and of course coming over here is beneath them.

Some of them genuinely had never noticed the abuse during and for weeks after the expulsion, but there are few very nasty bullies champing for a chance to gang up and start kicking anyone they dislike.

The insight into how totalitarian ideologies corrupt society is unpleasant.

StephanieSuperpowers · 25/01/2023 16:40

I suppose if you weren't looking for it, you wouldn't see it but there is a very palpable anger towards those who didn't toe the line. It's curious to me, it was far more than I've seen towards people holding different opinions about any other topic. Far more aggressive.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 25/01/2023 16:52

Fed of course by that very refusal to debate. That leaves them free to invent straw man arguments. I suspect there are back channel communications inventing a lot stuff that has never been said.

Oh well, it's pleasant here.

StephanieSuperpowers · 25/01/2023 17:01

It is indeed.

I'll be very interested, when the history of this debate is written, to see why women (predominantly) foregrounding the interests of women and girls in this kind of online environment is so angering (?).

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 25/01/2023 17:26

Including the group of women we haven't talked about as much, the ones whose distress at what the adult world is offering them is so bad that they become transmen. Maybe most of them are happy with that, but the young person I know seems in worse physical and mental shape than ever.

StephanieSuperpowers · 25/01/2023 17:29

Yeah. I say it all the time, but I'm pleased not to be a young woman these days and I feel an amount of guilt and shame that we've left them with all this.

Tricyrtis2022 · 25/01/2023 17:41

Thing is, though, Stephanie, so much was being snuck through in secret that women didn't know what was going on. It's still shit for the young women of today but older women aren't to blame for that.

Britinme · 25/01/2023 17:42

It staggers me that subscribers to gender ideology don't see the parallel with claiming to be a race you're not in order to claim benefits specific to that race. There's far less of a scientific basis to race than there is to sex.

duc748 · 25/01/2023 17:47

As the saying goes, there's none so blind as those who won't see.

StephanieSuperpowers · 25/01/2023 17:50

Tricyrtis2022 · 25/01/2023 17:41

Thing is, though, Stephanie, so much was being snuck through in secret that women didn't know what was going on. It's still shit for the young women of today but older women aren't to blame for that.

It's not just the gender stuff though. It's the porn, the casual bantery sexism, the appalling beauty standards, all the horrible pressure young women are under. There doesn't seem to be any fun or freedom like there was when I was young.

Tricyrtis2022 · 25/01/2023 17:52

Agree with all you've said there, Stephanie. Free and widespread porn is the worst thing ever. I avoid it like the plague and always have, but it can't be easy for those who've grown up with it.

angelico53 · 25/01/2023 17:55

It's awful for kids. My youngest (a boy) was very badly affected by pornhub and the peer culture that went along with it. We had a lot of talking out to do at the time - I think he must have been about 12-13.

UnfortunatePoster · 25/01/2023 18:18

I think I'm with Kuc on the mentioning (or not) of the old place. I made the enormous mistake yesterday of having a look after the drive by, and it was very depressing. It's never nice knowing that there's a whole load of people that think you're vile (especially when you've spent 20 years socialising online with a lot of them), and personally speaking I prefer a clean break.

When someone here refers back to them you just know it will be discussed there (obviously there are lurkers, as the last episode has made clear), which then just creates more bad feeling on both sides. I just don't think it helps - but obviously that's just my opinion.

I'm still REALLY annoyed about the whole "voluntary" eviction thing though.

Dotellhimpike · 25/01/2023 18:21

Evening thread, been pretty busy moving and whatnot so haven't been around. Just to go back a bit, I am a Wood Dragon apparently, which makes me think I am either pretty rare and cool or just self destructive, probly the latter. Would prefer to be Rabbit as I've always felt an affinity with the hare, it would totally be my spirit animal if we were still all pagan and druids an' all that shit..

As for current events, there is an absolutely definite breaking of the dam in terms of more and more people, including senior Labour bods speaking out about the clearly disgusting and ridiculous situation that sees a male rapist sent to a women's prison.

It is of no small amusement to me that the nasty bullies over you know where, have chosen this exact moment of a seeming paradigm shift in public debate, to batten down the hatches and pretend none of this is happening, in their little bubble of snides and cynics..

Ginmonkeyagain · 25/01/2023 18:37

@UnfortunatePoster I agree. I find it odd and confusing and tempted to pick the scab, but the clean break is the way to go for me. Same with relationships, I don't stay where I am not wanted.

I do get it thought, why people who are left leaning feminists aren't full of outrage at a rapist being held in the female estate Is a source of confusion and upset to me. But asking seems to create more rage, so I leave it there.

StephanieSuperpowers · 25/01/2023 18:53

I hear you, and it was me doing the wondering. I guess I just think the whole policy is unsustainable and I'm interested in what will eventually cause people to start talking. Not just there, but in other places that are discouraging chat. The labour party, the nhs etc. What will be the issue? Will there be a tipping point or a hidden rolling back?

I think it's inevitable, I just don't know what it will look like.

VicSynix · 25/01/2023 19:44

I have also been wondering why our drive-by scolders are SO cross with us. Seems a bit of a waste of energy to lurk in order so you can get enraged, but then I'm not on the RSOH so what do I know?

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 25/01/2023 19:49

It's more than 24 hours since I was there (I'll go back tomorrow) but they'd been joined by the tedious character who chased me round the boards for months a year or so back attacking me for being Irish. No idea is he universally Hibernophobe or does he just hate me for some reason, but it did get dull.

BezMills · 25/01/2023 19:50

I have nothing more to add about the old country than what I have already said. I read these threads and enjoy the aminals and food chat. Moar of that please.

I was in S&M but they ran out of haggis. So I did my best. Cooked a slab of yellow sticker ork stuffing, and stirred it into gnocchi (white sauce with all posh cheddar, caramelised onions and pesto), served with black pudding.

Pretty decent, for complete rando yellow sticker cupboard surprise.

It is whisky oclock, right?

Burns night. This is my favourite notBurns pome

The Puddock

John M. Caie

A puddock sat by the lochan’s brim,
An’ he thocht there was never a puddock like him.
He sat on his hurdies, he waggled his legs,
An’ cockit his heid as he glowered throu’ the seggs.
The bigsy wee cratur’ was feelin’ that prood,
He gapit his mou’ an’ he croakit oot lood:
“Gin ye’d a’ like tae see a richt puddock,” quo’ he,
“Ye’ll never, I’ll sweer, get a better nor me.
I’ve fem’lies an’ wives an’ a weel-plenished hame,
Wi’ drink for my thrapple an’ meat for my wame.
The lasses aye thocht me a fine strappin’ chiel,
An’ I ken I’m a rale bonny singer as weel.
I’m nae gaun tae blaw, but th’ truth I maun tell-
I believe I’m the verra MacPuddock himsel’.” …

A heron was hungry an’ needin’ tae sup,
Sae he nabbit th’ puddock and gollup’t him up;
Syne runkled his feathers: “A peer thing,” quo’ he,
“But – puddocks is nae fat they eesed tae be.”

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 25/01/2023 21:52

Poor puddock.

How's the unpacking going, Pike?

MmePoppySeedDefage · 25/01/2023 23:00

What you've all said.

I went briefly back to look at a couple of threads in That Place for the first time in a month (thread on Happy Valley was v. handy) & made a comment on the Exiles thread here that posters on the Feminism thread were saying that the Exiles thread was full of hate and indoctrination. Almost immediately I was scolded by H who said she had been back ages on the Feminism thread and there were no such comments.

I hold my hands up: this was the true about with the Feminism thread. I was thinking of the AIBU thread - the comments I was thinking of started directly below a comment by H herself. As there's a lot of crossover in the posters I do hope I can be forgiven...

What startled me was the immediate reaction. You'd think that having driven us and our
frankly appalling opinions out, they would want to avoid us and those ghastly views.

But obviously the AIBU thread is now less about agreeing how appalling men are towards women as shown in the Relationships thread, and more geared to tutting about women who refuse to agree that men with ladyfeelz are no threat to women.

BinkerTell · 25/01/2023 23:25

I'm going to bow out of this thread as my reasons for leaving JTT weren't really anything to do with the big recent fall out, I'd stopped posting months before anyway. I started lurking here a lot due to boredom when feeling ill / recovering and feeling very isolated and lonely and downright miserable because of being in pain so much of the time.

I have no desire or emotional capacity to be part of any animosity between two groups of people who both comprise people I am / have been very fond of.

I need to focus on my health and what is positive in my life and hopefully I'll see you on some other threads here if I have the courage to delurk. Flowers

CyanCrystalViolet · 25/01/2023 23:56

I haven’t been lurking there and to be honest haven’t really given it any thought. Like @BinkerTell I have no desire to be part of the animosity and I do feel a bit tense opening up this thread at the moment. I think there are more pressing matters, like cat photos.

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