Thread 4 - TalkExiles: "The Planet Goes On Being Round"

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of previous lifeboat threads 1 & 2 & 3.

Gather here all ye refugees from the JTT Flat Earth Society, welcome to the reassuringly oblate spheroid of MN! Ye all already know the answers to the questions "How the heck do I format my post?" "Why can't I edit my typos?" "What do those acronyms mean?" and most importantly, "Where is everybody that I used to know?"

So really we're all here just to chat randomly.

Beautifully bright and crisp day here in That London. Bloody cold though.

We had a blistering high of 4° C in the afternoon. I've just been to a shop and the paths are mostly still glassy. It's down to 2° now and the weather station claims it was -5 ° C overnight.

Fabulous photo of the leaning trees, @Kucinghitam .

Gosh, it was 10° C here in the late morning, having been 3° C at the same time yesterday. Not sure what it is now, but it feels balmy and I've switched off the heating (I have lit the wood burner).

The overnight forecast is for lows of 5 -7 C. I must remove a few supplementary layers from the bed.

Oh it was beautiful here earlier - I don't think I've ever seen the sky such a deep blue in England. There's now a lovely peachy sky.

I am enjoying the useful tips thread, but some are a bit, um, Mumsnet:

"Spray your pillows with febreze every morning, feels like you're getting into a fresh bed each night."

oh god, the horror of febreze smell in the bedroom, never mind on the pillows.

I enjoy brisk weather when it's not raining and the sky is blue. I love it even more when it's sunny enough to wear sunglasses.

Apropos of stuff, I genuinely took the golden haired, tomorrow belongs to me post as a general thing and not at all specific. I don't think anything here has been specific unless we are talking about people who have a public profile and are either problematic or someone we have a lot of time for.

I know that certain posters were mentioned very early on and a sailor has had some discussion because of his pearl clutching idiocy, but this isn't the other place so what on earth does it matter. Mumsnetters won't know or care who they are and if this eviction is anything like the last one the evicted will be talked about on and off for years to come. Everyone has their own space to talk how they wish about what they like. Good grief, this thread is a space within a much bigger space and nobody cares. As the thread title says, the planet goes on being round.

My tomorrow belongs to me comments were about a discussion that hsw may or may not have been on at that time - it didn't start with her and her child/ren, but was about a school friend of another poster, and then devolved into fluffy aren't the children all so sound stuff.

I wish I thought they were - it's a tough time to be young, and a lot of them* seem to be struggling.

*the current generation of teenagers, not any specified youngsters.

**ditto

oh look, asterisks make things bold!

I was taken aback by the drive-by shouting as I hadn't taken that tomorrow belongs to me etc post as relating to anything to do with any specific poster.

In weather-related news, himself shovelled four inches of snow off the driveway yesterday, but we only appeared to have about half an inch on the cars this morning and it's all melted off now. This has been, I think, the mildest winter in the twenty years I've been here.

That’s interesting. A few weeks ago British news was full time of the North American Bomb Cyclone so I’d imagined it had been fairly terrible everywhere. Clearly not.

time

Must make better use of the preview button.

Our bit of the USA had almost no impact from that. The mid-west and the west coast had it worst.

@CitronVert22

Firstly sorry for tagging you in an other wise blank post earlier. I was on my lunch break/phone and goodness knows where the rest of the post went.

My friend and I believe that self ID is too easy to abuse, by people who are neither non conforming or trans. But also that the umbrella that has been created for trans is too broad - there is a world of difference between wanting to live outside gender norms/performative stuff and acute gender dysphoria.

We also discussed the 'follow the money' (which is much more prevalent in the USA admittedly) and feel that vulnerable people are being exploited. Transition is being sold as a cure all to some people, an answer to their unhappiness which may or may not be rooted in their gender identity.

It was a long and difficult conversation with tears on both sides..we both feel that being trans can include being gender critical, and are saddened to see that our community has lost sight of that.

The discussion here has moved on, but I hope I have answered your question.

Britinme, of course it wasn't about a specific poster. It was about the way we have all been sleepwalked into this very scary new totalitarianism, and how frustrating it is to see people sticking their heads in the sand. Someone decided in the middle of the night that it was about them and that it was their duty to do some selective copying and pasting. Sad really.

Interesting post, dollymixedup, and I hope you find a comfortable place to post, whether here, there, both or elsewhere. Am also sure that the “decapitate terfs” brigade don’t care much for trans or gender non-conforming people, just as the most vehement anti-trans voices don’t care much for women’s rights. The rest of us need to keep talking and listening to each other to remind ourselves of how much we do have in common, rather than focusing on points of disagreement. Those points of disagreement will always be tough, but I hope we can find hope, strength and solidarity in the common ground. More in common and all that.

Thanks for that post,, Dolly - I think those are all points that I'd agree with. The ridiculous size of the umbrella is certainly beneficial to those with exploitative motives (personal or financial) while being deeply detrimental to the people things like the GRA were originally☆ intended for.

☆ By that time the expansion project was of course already well embedded but not, I think, what the vast majority of legislators had in mind.

Thanks guys.

Idk where I am at with the whole posting thing, I am very much a lurker really, but 'there' has lost its safe space status for me and I am unsure if it can regain it - I am still very much processing it all tbh. My initial reaction to what happened was blind panic at the potential loss, but that loss has happened regardless of the in/outs of the fallout the change has occurred doesn't matter that the plug wasn't pulled.

Here is big and unknown - my EUPD can make me quite vulnerable in some ways.

I do hope you'll become comfortable enough to stay - or at least pop in to this thread fairly regularly - Dolly. I've aways enjoyed your posts on all sorts of topics.

I reckon I can manage this thread and it's follow ups, thankyou Bint:)

@dollymixedup, thanks for that - I was about to ask if there was meant to be more to it.

Yeah, an awful lot of stuff has got rather bundled together culturally, and I'm not always sure it's that helpful even for the people officially affected. Buy this is what humans do; invent a concept and then have it wander all over the place. I have no idea what you do about that; you can't just dictate culture, people will go to their own way. But our reaction does matter. Just doesn't always have the effect we expect it to either. It's very tricky.

Yup @CitronVert22 people keep on peopling. I always thought that some of the divisions and areas of conflict would ease with time, but it seems that the issue has become more fraught and polarised. I do hope for calm after the storm.

Virtual hugs @dollymixedup and I too agree with what you've said.

Also everyone who followed.

I do hope you hang around, lurkily or chattily, as you prefer!

I'm listening to Diamonds and Rust (Joan Baez). What a wonderful song that is.