Family missing with newborn....

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www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

If she has access to money that will have meant family are funding her so unlikely they’ll also offer reward money ? I would assume anyone with knowledge who may consider outing their whereabouts would be known to them and possibly offered more to not disclose anything

From what I understand she is from a wealthy family, and stockpiled the money as cash before they went on the run. There is no indication that her family are choosing to fund her at this point. So possible that they have put up the £10K - also possible the reward is being offered from another source.

And even if they are estranged, there's no reason to assume that they do not genuinely love her. It may be that they felt they had to go 'no contact' to protect themselves in some way, not because they don't care.

Very sad all round.

Just seen from the recent updates that the man is a sex offender. Presumably this is why they are being sought so the child can be protected from him.

very sad. I hope the money encourages someone to talk.

It might have originated with the family but that doesn't mean they can restrict her access to it.

She might have inherited money from her grandparents and put the money into a bank account in her sole name for instance. I don't think the family could do anything to freeze such an account.

We also know she's stockpiled quite a lot of cash, though eventually that will run out.

I’d have thought that’s saying they have a substantial amount of money with them, makes them a target for criminals. Doesn’t that make them more vulnerable?

I'm sure it does especially if they're actually on the streets.

Saw on the news today the appeal again with the police saying they think they're camping in Sussex.

Why does the times article say they were seen on jan 8 ‘when the baby was still alive’?

The Times article is behind a paywall so I can't read it.

However, it sounds to me like that's the last time they have evidence the baby was alive - not that they now have evidence it's dead.

If you can share it with a share token it would be good.

Is there actually a warrant out for his arrest?

I can see all the reasons they want to find them, how vulnerable the baby is, and her, the risks of it all etc, but at the same time, if there isn't a warrant for their arrest, people might feel strange about coming forward with information. Clearly there is a lot going on in the background that hasn't been made public, but I wonder if making it clear that there has been a court order broken or some other reason for police involvement that would mean the public would be more likely to report. Right now, the news just seems odd, and I can see why a lot of people would think that unless they are actually wanted for something criminal, it's their right to be camping or disappear if they want to, even if the vulnerabilities or risks to the infant are clear.

It was just in the news bit on my phone today I’m not sure how to share that way so screenshot it

They're all being treated as missing people, publicly anyway.

Some people seem to take 'my baby my rules' to extremes, or believe that social services never have a good reason to remove children, and are all baby snatching monsters (how they reconcile that with cases like Baby P and Logan Mwangi I'll never know; presumably SS should have infallible crystal balls).

The key piece of information not being reported in the press it that it looks like they've had 3 previous children removed; her Facebook has pictures of 3 babies that look like they're hers and MG's, they're clearly not with them because they've never been mentioned in appeals. She also likes several pages called "social services exposed" etc.

For some of these people it seems like no reasonable amount of information in the public domain would be 'good enough' for them to come forward with information.

Thanks; I strongly suspect this is just bad wording on the part of one journalist; if they actually thought the baby was dead it would have been everywhere across the news

Yes it’s very badly worded I think

I've read about the children removed as well, and it makes total sense to me that social services want to find them. I suppose it's not that no information would be 'good enough' for the public to come forward, but more that the information doesn't seem 'legal' enough, if that makes sense - if a court order had been broken and there was an actual arrest warrant or something, then they might believe that there was an official reason that the police had to be involved. But without that, people involved might be thinking that there is no official reason/warrant etc, and therefore they should be left to themselves until there is some evidence: almost like the lack of mention of an arrest warrant must mean that there isn't one, or that no court orders have been broken. I suppose some people are of the mindset that individual liberty is all important, and unless there is evidence of a crime having been committed, then you should be allowed to do what you like, however inadvised it is. I disagree, and it seems obvious that there is a lot more background that hasn't been released, but I wonder if this mindset is stopping some people coming forward who might have information. I wonder also what will happen when the police find them - i.e., can they be arrested or forced to come for questioning, or are they able to refuse. Of course, at that point, there might be clear neglect/mistreatment of the baby, which would then provide the immediate evidence needed to bring them in.

I live in Sussex and several people on a Facebook group said they'd seen a tent in the middle of fields away from the beaten track and reported it to the police. Fairly near to Newhaven where they were said to have been spotted.
I couldn't imagine camping in this weather. Especially with a newborn baby!

I don't think it's that no information is 'good enough' I think most people don't look on forums and search for their Facebook pages so see that a family have gone missing deliberately and can't really see why they should report them.

Hopefully the police followed it up if it was true!

I somehow find it hard to believe they are still in the UK. I could imagine they bribed a lorry driver and maybe they are already on the Continent. Also, I read about the baby still being alive on 8th. I imagine this information came from the taxi driver, who drove them from London to Newhaven. I am sure he was interviewed as part of the investigation.

Really? Social services just after people's babies for the sake of it? They don't have the resources to home all the children who are in unsafe home environments so hardly likely!

social services prob after the baby there total scum bags

Might be something to do with the fact they've already had 3 taken.

Oh yes, SS are just gagging to take babies from blameless families. 🙄

You also said this on another thread:

christ you shouldn’t leave the child that young illegal or not i hope social services investigate

So SS evil or SS good? Make up your mind will you or posting for effect?

Of course as Ss have so much spare time on their hands and enough staff to randomly go and track down completely unnecessarily babies who are perfectly safe in families who need no intervention....