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Elderly grandparent becoming vindictive

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Iwannabeacrocodilehunter · 04/12/2022 17:17

My grandmother is 94 years old. She has all her faculties and is very independent. She lives in an annex attached to my parents house, with her own kitchen and bathroom, lounge and bedroom. She drives and does her own shopping.

During the summer, my grandmother potters around the garden with (or without) my dad (her son). They grow plants, tend to the fruit trees and she’s happy as Larry.

During these winter months though, she can’t get out quite so much. My dad works full time but will pop in for a few hours every day or every other day. My mum works full time and does a lot of over time, so doesn’t tend to see anyone very often (myself included).

My grandmother becomes quite disgruntled during the winter months at the lack of visitors. Apart from my dad, she has about 2-3 visits per week from other family e.g. me. But clearly she thinks visits should be a daily occurrence and perhaps they should be…but we all work.

Anyway, she took herself to see her Gp last week and told him that ‘her family hates her because no one visits her’. Now the Gp has called social services. She was relaying this to us earlier, at one of her non existent visits. She was complaining to us that no one bothers with her, even though my dad was there for two hours yesterday.

I think her biggest bugbear is my mother. It’s true that mum only sees her perhaps once a month, but as I mentioned earlier, my mum leaves for work at 7am, gets home from work around 7pm and works as many as 6 days a week. No one sees her. She does however pick my grandmother up bits and bobs after work e.g. M&S food and sends it down via dad.

I love my grandmother to bits, but I’m feeling so cross with her, that she could be so ungrateful and so spiteful telling the GP we must hate her. I am trying to be patient, but I’m sat there listening to her say how no one visits, whilst I’m sat there visiting.

Any advice would be appreciated.

OP posts:
forrestgreen · 04/12/2022 17:43

Ask her often she thinks people should visit them tell her why that's not possible.

Don't bother with a ring doorbell but I would do a diary, only because then she can see that she's not abandoned. She might be forgetting that people came a few days ago

Piffle11 · 04/12/2022 17:48

Anyway, she took herself to see her Gp last week and told him that ‘her family hates her because no one visits her’. Now the Gp has called social services. She was relaying this to us earlier ...

Do you think any of this is true? I'm thinking it's all made up and designed to shock/worry you into visiting more regularly.

wateraddict · 04/12/2022 17:48

I understand how this will be hurtful when you are trying to make sure she has some company. The days feel so long at this time of year.

As another PP said, would she consider other social options outside of family to give her days more purpose and enjoy life with others? Would looking into a lunch club or hobby be an option?

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miceonabranch · 04/12/2022 17:49

Tell her that she'd have lots of company if she went into a care home instead of living independently in the annex. Perhaps she would prefer this.

Flyingskunk · 04/12/2022 17:53

My Nan got rather like this and I loved her dearly and she had a huge family and lots of visitors on a regular basis.
My mum was rather unsympathetic and my Nan kept ringing the Drs and she told me they said she was depressed. I think she just didn’t want to be on her own at that age and I can understand that, she grew up in a huge family had 5 kids of her own and was now trapped in her home sometimes on her own. I also believe she was frightened of dying alone. It’s quite lonely in your 90s even if you have family. Often your friends and siblings have all passed.
You don’t know how much longer she’ll be around. I’d be a bit more sympathetic and as others have said surely someone can spend 15 minutes a day for a cup of tea with her.
I had been making an effort to see my Nan more just before she died and I felt much more at peace because I had.

DorritLittle · 04/12/2022 17:56

I feel for you OP. My Grandma was the same. Had a very interesting memory, shall we say. Despite being sharp as a nail.

Your DM is probably leaving it mostly to your Dad because he is the adult child. My DM did this too She has done nothing wrong and nor has your Dad.

treesandweeds · 04/12/2022 17:58

Seems a bit off that your mum can't pop round for an hour once a week though, it's not as though she's far away!!

Iwannabeacrocodilehunter · 04/12/2022 18:01

Thank you everyone.

My nan sees someone, if only my dad, at least once a day. A lot of days she’ll see another person too. When we visit, we stop for about 2-3 hours. Most people do.

She’s also welcome to pop into my mum and dads house, for a cuppa, for dinner, whatever…but she wants them at hers instead.

I understand that she probably does feel lonely and that makes me sad.

I believe that she did say something to the GP as my dad has confirmed the SW appointment.

I guess it’s all pretty normal for her age by the sound of it, so I won’t take it personally.

OP posts:
sueelleker · 04/12/2022 18:03

treesandweeds · 04/12/2022 17:58

Seems a bit off that your mum can't pop round for an hour once a week though, it's not as though she's far away!!

OP said "my mum leaves for work at 7am, gets home from work around 7pm and works as many as 6 days a week". Doesn't leave her much time to do anything else.

cptartapp · 04/12/2022 18:03

The biggest possible mistake was the annex in the first place. I've seen it backfire so many times.
I cannot believe how many elderly people are happy to put this pressure on their adult DC with jobs and young families. We save all our lives to buy in care as needed when older. Maybe that time has arrived.
My GM used to say similar before she was diagnosed with dementia. That's a whole new can of worms.

Iwannabeacrocodilehunter · 04/12/2022 18:04

treesandweeds · 04/12/2022 17:58

Seems a bit off that your mum can't pop round for an hour once a week though, it's not as though she's far away!!

My mum has always been the same. Work, work, work. And the one day she has off, she’ll go shopping, clean the house from top to bottom, do some more work and get ready for work. It’s quite sad really. I’ve seen her about three times since August and my son (her grandchild) has seen her once since August. She’s always been like it and I’ve resigned myself to the fact she always will be like it. That’s another thread though :)

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NotToBeShaked · 04/12/2022 18:06

Does sound a bit odd that your mum doesn't pop in more than once a month, seeing as she lives attached to the house.

My mum said this to me a while ago. She gets 2 visits a day from someone in the family. I go once a week or so - work full time and disabled.

I didnt go for 2 months. She's never said it again.

Waitingfordecember · 04/12/2022 18:16

Being old isn’t an excuse for being rude and demanding, unless something like dementia is to blame. I’d ask her to recount her last few visits and, if she can, tell her she is being unfair. She has the option of going to your mum and dad’s but chooses not to. None of you can visit more often because you have other commitments too.

If she wants more social interaction, offer to help her find some local clubs and groups.

Obviously if she’s not remembering that she does get regular visitors, this needs addressing with her GP.

AdaColeman · 04/12/2022 18:17

A change in character in an older person is often a sign that they are changing mentally, their memory deteriorating, their grasp of time passing weakening, amongst other things.
When she went to see the GP, did he do any memory or cognitive tests for her? That might be something to discuss with the SW when they visit.

Are there any day centres nearby, or churches that offer a weekly lunch, outings like that might help to keep her grounded in real time as well as offering company.

knittingaddict · 04/12/2022 18:22

Is it possible that she doesn't remember the visits and that dementia might be setting in? My mum had dementia and never remembered visits from family or the carers that came in for hours every day. There was nothing we could do about the resulting unhappiness from being forgotten about when that was far from the case.

changeme4this · 04/12/2022 18:25

Would owning a computer help? Can she send emails? If so, this might be another way for people to connect with her, whilst not being physically present…

AllotmentTime · 04/12/2022 18:29

Those people saying that OP’s mum should try and pop in more/that it’s a shame that she can’t… did you miss that this is OP’s Dad’s mother?

Fair enough if you think OP’s mum should make more effort with her MIL I guess 🤷‍♀️ but I think personally if I was hosting MIL in an annex on my property and she was fit enough to drive, frequently visited by her son and others, and knew she was welcome to come over but declined to do so, I’d think I’d more than done my bit!

changeme4this · 04/12/2022 18:30

NotToBeShaked · 04/12/2022 18:06

Does sound a bit odd that your mum doesn't pop in more than once a month, seeing as she lives attached to the house.

My mum said this to me a while ago. She gets 2 visits a day from someone in the family. I go once a week or so - work full time and disabled.

I didnt go for 2 months. She's never said it again.

I have been given the bad daughter talk.. how much better a daughter she was to her mother than I am to her.

Mum won’t participate in social activities where she lives either, and no one can make them, so it makes their social circle even smaller.

Iwannabeacrocodilehunter · 04/12/2022 18:30

Just to answer a few questions.

Yes, she does remember the visits.
No, she would definitely not go to a church group or similar - she doesn’t like old people.
And finally, she does have a computer, an iPad, Alexa, we even bought her a drone. She is very bright and capable.

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MincepiesforRudolph · 04/12/2022 18:32

If Dgran is missing daily social contact during the winter but is able to drive, maybe suggest she joins a weekly lunch or cards group? What are her interests apart from gardening? Getting all her social interaction from her family is tough for you - and you already visit her quite a lot! Could she volunteer for something she enjoys?
There's a 90 year old volunteer who pops into my mums nursing home once a week to play card games, have a cuppa and chat with a few of the residents, and she's also a "greeter" at her weekly lunch club for the housebound "old folks" as she puts it (although many of them are a lot younger than her!) She's lived in the town since childhood so has a shared background and memories with many of her new found friends. She has no family left locally and so her weekly visits are a lifeline for her.

Cruisebabe1 · 04/12/2022 18:32

Iwannabeacrocodilehunter · 04/12/2022 18:01

Thank you everyone.

My nan sees someone, if only my dad, at least once a day. A lot of days she’ll see another person too. When we visit, we stop for about 2-3 hours. Most people do.

She’s also welcome to pop into my mum and dads house, for a cuppa, for dinner, whatever…but she wants them at hers instead.

I understand that she probably does feel lonely and that makes me sad.

I believe that she did say something to the GP as my dad has confirmed the SW appointment.

I guess it’s all pretty normal for her age by the sound of it, so I won’t take it personally.

Let social services do something out if is is how she says to the GP. Out of your hands IMO. My late mother was like this at a similar age denied she had any visitors when she was getting about 2 a day! Give yourselves a break you are doing the best you can.

plinkypots · 04/12/2022 18:33

Bless her. It very much sounds like her cognitive functioning is in decline. It makes people very agitated and often they make false accusations. Winter is hard on anyone but being old and alone most of the time is brutal. I really wouldn't take it personally nor would I try to prove her 'wrong' with ring doorbell footage 🥴. If it's dementia or just plain old age it will only agitate her more and frankly it's unkind. A guestbook might work or one of those electronic picture frames that rotates the photos?

SleepingisanArt · 04/12/2022 18:34

Unfortunately this is totally normal for a 94 year old. Humans are not supposed to live that long and our brain (and bodies) change. The part of the brain which deals with social niceties doesn't work as well so we say what we think rather than thinking about how someone will react to what we say before we speak. An elderly relative of ours (now long deceased) was visited by someone who's beloved dog had passed away and greeted them with 'good, now you'll be able to spend more time with me'. Huge intake of breath from the rest of the family but no point in saying anything because she no longer had the ability to make the judgement call.....

amonsteronthehill · 04/12/2022 18:39

While it would be 'nice' if OP's mum had more time to visit, reality is, she doesn't based on her long working days.

The other reality is, this is not her mother. It is her husband's mother. Who she has welcomed into an annex attached to her home.

And she regularly ensures she picks things up her MIl needs.

I think she's doing plenty for her, frankly.

ButterCrackers · 04/12/2022 18:39

That’s nasty and ungrateful of her - she lives in an annex with, I imagine, all utilities paid and everything in good condition plus family visits. Tell her that she’s right to have gone to the GP and said how she feels about where she lives and the family caring for her. If it’s not dementia .. as she’s got SW involved find the person in charge to talk about care homes. I’d say to arrange some care home visits for her or for the managers to visit her to explain how she would be happier there. Let her see that her moaning has consequences. Perhaps you could rent out the annex to cover some of the care home costs.