If you had a chance to vote again for Brexit would it be leave or remain?

[Stormyscratchywindows]

Just saw a poll which said Public support for Brexit is at an all-time low, with one in five Brexiteers now saying they think it was wrong to vote to leave the EU. If you had a chance to vote again how would you vote - trying to make it a goady thread so feel free not to mention if you were remain or leave last time.

news.sky.com/story/poll-reveals-public-support-for-brexit-at-all-time-low-12749439

For me - I'd vote remain

TBF, they probably didn't @j712adrian. A prolific Leave poster at the time, didn't even know we elected MEPs,🤦‍♀️ so it's unfair to expect them to have known other stuff.

Predicted as in you knew the year?

I don’t get this accusation aimed at Brexiteers. But if you did predict it that’s pretty good going.

Know there are differing opinions on the BBC but I listen to Newscast and Americast. They have set up 5 ‘fake’ personas across all social platforms, but with no friends. Each persona represents a different political leaning.
Not surprisingly, click on ONE thing and that’s it - you are down the algorithm rabbit hole and will only see content that gets more and more extreme or validates an initial thought. Because that is all some people are seeing, the world is becoming more polarised in its thinking with far fewer middle of left:right

There is no fair election or voting on anything any more since social media is involved.

Sorry not sure why I quoted you!

I do worry about that social media point because I think you’re right GettinHyggeWithIt And as a side point this is partly why I am concerned about MN introducing a ‘similar threads’ recommendation feature which they’ve recently done, despite a lot of posters complaining about it.

@PalatineHill

Yes, if you always see threads that support a certain perspective it’s very likely a person will become more entrenched in that view.

Sure you know already but there are a ton of high quality (journalistically) documentaries about social media algorithms and the big platforms have basically admitted developers longer control the algorithm, it’s become so complex AI and machine learning has taken over.

Look at polarised views on anything (elections, brexit, COVID vaccine) and you’ll find people quoting content they’ve seen on FB and the like. There is a huge rise in conspiracy theorists because of this and I’m not just talking people who are wary of vaccines, I mean full-on the Manchester Arena bombings didn’t happen type nonsense. Then there are vulnerable people being served suicide content repeatedly etc. It’s all too far and no one can control it.

I am on MN and LinkedIn for work and that’s it. If I had my way I would ban social platforms as they currently exist. I don’t ‘blame’ anyone who voted leave because of lies they were told and served up repeatedly.

Anyway, rant over!

I voted remain, but when there was lots of back and forth about a second referendum pre the 2019 GE I considered voting leave as that was the original result and I don't like democracy (such as it is) messed with.

However, if there was one now I would vote to go back into the EU. I hate the whole brexiteer/remoaner shit you see bandied about and I respect everyone's view and right to vote as they see fit.

We knew for at least 20 years that a pandemic was imminent (which in prediction terms is pretty accurate). About 16- 17 years ago a lot of work was done about it, then revisited. There was lots of low key surveillance work and incorporated into existing roles and then the government dismantled everything related to it.

I worked on this 16 years plus ago

That is separate to remainers taking a supposed high ground on this.

Maybe if it part was part of the remain campaign. Or there were posts pre Brexit with - oh not Brexit we’re due a pandemic soon.

If there were well done to that remainer. If not then they were in the same boat as the
Brexiteer (they were typically sneering at) and it didn’t cross their mind to link the two either.

Remainers can be so off puttingly superior at times, it’s infuriating. And I voted remain I just can’t stand the supposed superiority.

MarshaBradyo

Potentially not. The issue is more the government knew the risk and made no provision. It should have been something discussed by both sides. To be fair it had been widely discussed pre referendum every few years. I suspect if Remain had mentioned it, it would have been dismissed as 'Project Fear'.

The remain campaign was dreadful and the Leave campaign made impossible promises peppered with downright lies.

I don’t recall a poster on here mentioning the imminent pandemic hitting at around the same time as Brexit. But if there were I’d be interested to see it

The claim below was that the Brexiteer should have considered the possibility… ok then the remainers must have been posting about it a lot to say that. Otherwise no reason to sneer.

Leave

@MarshaBradyo any warning of anything which might sully the sunlit uplands of Brexit would have been subject to systematic rubbishing by Brexiteers.

The whole point of good management of the country is being able to manage risk effectively. In the case of the pandemic it had spent 15 years as risk number one in the National Civil Contingencies Risk Register. Politicians have a moral responsibility to keep an open mind on these things, something which the Brexiteers en masse failed spectacularly to do. They also failed in their duty to identify anything else which could have derailed Brexit such as world-wide supply chain issues or catastrophic terrorist attack. Truly, amateurs were in charge, motivated by a tax avoidance imperative which benefits virtually nobody outside the ERG.

There was never any talk of at senior level of anything which would get in the way of the dreamy and, as it turns out, non-existent world of Brexit.

Did you post pre Brexit that it was a bad idea due to the imminent pandemic?

I’d be interested to see that, as very prescient, and deserves some praise

Basically, the Tories have used the debt markets to cover 12 years of extreme incompetence, including gross overspending on COVID, and Brexit.
And now the Posh Cnnnts are destroying the middle-class folk to pay and will ultimately split the Tories into murderous factions and let Labour in for a generation.

How can it be proven exactly what causes the fluctuations in the economy? Whether it be Covid, Ukraine war, Brexit or change of Prime Minister I don't think it can be clearly defined.

Well if the Bank of England and the OBR agree we have taken a big hit owing to Brexit then I am minded to believe them.

www.reuters.com/markets/brexit-is-weighing-uk-economy-bank-england-officials-say-2022-11-16/

Remain

Remain in 2016, I have been proven correct, so Remain again now.

What @vera99 said but it’s also not that difficult to find the answers if you read around to understand these things. Ukraine war causes supply side issues as does COVID to some extent. COVID also caused supply issues as well as reduction in productivity within the UK as less people working. However GDP and economic growth in the UK has been low/stagnant for years and way before Brexit and COVID, which is largely down to policy decisions.

Read here:

www.ft.com/content/e48882ab-e519-4d20-a332-41ec2ecb0d51

blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2022/08/05/britain-a-services-superpower-sinking-into-stagnation/

In the last 40 years there have been 28 of Tory rule with some small coalitions in there. This idea Tories are safe with the economy is nonsense, exemplified by the huge overspend on COVID and in 6-7 weeks Truss created a £35b deficit. It’s almost comical numbers.

If Matt Hancock is eating weird animal parts as contrition for his wrongdoings, I’m wondering what the hell Truss is in line for.

Its not that people didn't know but that it would make sod all difference WHO got elected given that no one knew what, when or why they were voting on stuff.

I voted Leave, and would again without hesitation. Yes all you Remainers out there, I must be as mad as a box of frogs. I assure you I’m not.
Economies all over the world are struggling, it’s called Covid.

Yes you clearly are barking mad and have no intellectual awareness of the issue at all. I suspect this was and is the case with many leavers hence you were so gullible.

Remain

Nope, some people actually didn't know.🤯