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So what is the answer to the migrant crisis?

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fucketyfuckwit · 08/11/2022 19:20

Just had a conversation with DH about the migrant crisis.

DH is more left wing than me (I'm more in the middle). I asked him to explain what he thinks about the migrant crisis that is in the news (as in people coming over in dinghies into Kent).

He said that we should support them as they often bring us skills and will eventually work and pay taxes.

I get that historically immigration had resulted in this but can't help but think that firstly, this country is on its knees and can't cope having to support these people and also that the I don't believe all these people have skills to offer us.

I know we lost a large number of farm workers etc through Brexit,

Without jumping on me and calling me a bigot etc can anyone please help me explain why we shouldn't just be sending them straight back?

Please just help me to understand.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 09/11/2022 09:05

The healthcare provision in France is linked to insurance. No insurance cover, only emergency care. So effectively limited to people who have already established residency, and paid into their insurance fund, usually linked to employment.

Schooling is free to citizens and citizen’s children. There is very little provision for schooling ( or indeed medical care) in languages other than French. Social housing is in short supply, citizens resident in the commune ( the local government area) take priority.

Or at least that was the case where I lived for fifteen years , and I only left in 2020.

JustWork · 09/11/2022 10:28

Watchthesunrise · 09/11/2022 01:09

Those are some of the costs of the system. The benefits, however, are significant. Trafficking fallen almost to zero. People processed in place, at a regular rate, allowing for their arrival in Australia to be planned. No homeless new immigrants.

Plus, I don't know all the details but I suspect that if there's sexual abuse of women on detention islands, then it is happening because of the 'quality' of the men trying to get into Australia. The fact that they're sexually violent suggests to me that it is a good thing they've been stopped prior to getting to the border.

Your reply and the fact that you immediately jumped to the conclusion that it is fellow detainees who are committing the abuse shows how deeply racist you are.

Please read the link below though I assume that it will not change your mind. You obviously don't consider refugee children to be human and deserving of safety and compassion.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-files-2000-leaked-reports-reveal-scale-of-abuse-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention

JustWork · 09/11/2022 10:35

JustWork · 09/11/2022 10:28

Your reply and the fact that you immediately jumped to the conclusion that it is fellow detainees who are committing the abuse shows how deeply racist you are.

Please read the link below though I assume that it will not change your mind. You obviously don't consider refugee children to be human and deserving of safety and compassion.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-files-2000-leaked-reports-reveal-scale-of-abuse-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention

And if you think that conditions must have improved since then:

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/25/secret-recordings-allege-excessive-force-by-guards-in-australias-detention-centres

Also, does serco sound familiar to you at all?

How anyone can defend Australian detention centres is beyond me. I suppose you'd accept anything as long as you thought it protected this precious little island.

Londongent · 09/11/2022 10:44

There isn't a migrant crisis (other than where they are given accommodation), asylum applications are less than half of what they were 20 years ago. There is a processing crisis of asylum seekers. It is taking too long to process applications.
However it suits the government to have this on the front pages to divert from their other problems, better for them to blame everything on refugees.

CourtneeLuv · 09/11/2022 23:14

CantSleepCountingSheep · 08/11/2022 22:04

Homelessness is awful, but funnily enough, I never see the immigrant demographic on the streets, actually

@CourtneeLuv I do. There are lots of them 😢

You might see people thatvarent white but they aren't the people coming in off the dhingies.

Stripyhoglets1 · 03/12/2022 08:51

Several years ago I presented myself to the local council with my 2 year old son as I was officially classed as ‘homeless’. "The very kind lady at the office said to me are you pregnant, I said no are you on drugs, no then I’m sorry you won’t be getting a council house anytime soon and we have to save a certain amount of housing as a priority for our ‘foreign friends’. This is my homeland born and raised all my life."

I don't think this is completely true tbh

  1. You are as entitled to help with a child as you are when pregnant
  2. Unlikely a council worker would say that as could get into alot of trouble if reported - but I suppose is possible 🤔
  3. Councils don't house asylum seekers. The government does.
  4. Once granted asylum people have the same rights as anyone else to help for the council - not more help.
  5. The housing crisis and lack of social housing is due to massive funding cuts over the years.
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