So what is the answer to the migrant crisis?

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Just had a conversation with DH about the migrant crisis.

DH is more left wing than me (I'm more in the middle). I asked him to explain what he thinks about the migrant crisis that is in the news (as in people coming over in dinghies into Kent).

He said that we should support them as they often bring us skills and will eventually work and pay taxes.

I get that historically immigration had resulted in this but can't help but think that firstly, this country is on its knees and can't cope having to support these people and also that the I don't believe all these people have skills to offer us.

I know we lost a large number of farm workers etc through Brexit,

Without jumping on me and calling me a bigot etc can anyone please help me explain why we shouldn't just be sending them straight back?

Please just help me to understand.

The lack of checks is a government failure surely? Not that of the migrants?

@Sigma33 if they have arrived without documentation then how can the government check. They are breaking the law by entering through illegal routes.

19th in Europe per head of population bbc report.
And keep asking, why do the likes of the Daily Mail and the Sun and other press (whose owners don't live or pay tax in the UK) want to you to feel afraid and angry?

If we are struggling with schools, hospitals etc (and yes, services have been shredded) then look at the government that has made those choices.

It suits those benefitting from the big bonuses making money from internationally slashing the UK's welfare state to demonise 'the migrant crisis'. But the true issue is those who benefit from destroying the and privatising the NHS and social care

The Dublin protocol is the answer, but it's an inconvenient truth as it was dropped as part of the Brexit agreement put in place by Boris Johnson.

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This, spot on

we are not in a position to be spending lots of money supporting economic migrants that don’t fancy claiming asylum in any of the very safe countries they have passed through to get here.

The international treaties that we, as a country, are signed up to do not require refugees or asylum seekers to stay in the first safe country they reach. Those treaties were drafted that way on purpose (because otherwise the burden of hosting will fall disproportionately on countries geographically close to a war zone and that is objectively unfair). If we, as a country, are not willing to stand by the treaties we have signed up to then we will find negotiating new ones, or getting others to stick with their commitments (eg nuclear non-proliferation) very difficult indeed.

Which laws? What makes a route illegal?

Not if they then claim asylum. If they don't they are not included in the figures.

It is legal to enter a country and claim asylum. That international law was founded on the experience of Jewish people after their mass murder by the Nazi government. Those who were 'law abiding' tended to end up in the gas chambers.

I am 100% behind policies that enable people to save their lives in the face of mass murder

So am I but not the case with some of them nowadays

1000% agree with olderkids, many people do, wish they would admit it publicly

Please explain? Who don't you support, and why?

Put them all on a plane and sent them straight back where they came from.

Some of the Albanians for example as they have no ties with the UK

We are in a recession and have a cost of living crisis and we need to put our own citizens first which hasn't been allowed to happen since the early 90s

You would send German Jew under the Nazis back to Germany to be gassed to death?

You would send Afghan translators for the British services back to Afghanistan to be murdered by the Taliban?

Do you embrace being racist?

@BobbyBobbyBobby

I don’t think the public realise the scale of it!

I hadn't realised such big numbers were arriving & that they were basically walking on through like that. It is also all men age 18-25. The press don't make this clear.

If I'm honest I wouldn't want to live next door to a hotel full of young men with nothing to do all day.

I don't think we should be obliged to house economic migrants in hotels. It's costing a fortune.

Why can't we send economic migrants home? The majority aren't in a war zone.

It's the poor & disadvantaged who have to absorb migrants into their communities. What about housing them in areas with outstanding schools & prioritising migrant children for places? It never happens.

@CourtneeLuv it won't because they're claiming asylum so not subject to immigration rules.

@Sigma33 but there isn’t a nazi style government in Europe is there? There have been 40,000 arrivals in the uk this year alone. Are you telling me they are fleeing death in ….France?

@Sigma33 we have a clear immigration program for translators in the Afghan army. Calling people racist who don’t agree with your immigration free for all isn’t really the win you think it is.

Then process asylum claims quickly. Don't make people wait for years on our taxes.

The problem isn't people claiming asylum, it's the government that fails to process the claims and then blames the claimants

“You would send German Jew under the Nazis back to Germany to be gassed to death”

Thats a real reach - 80 or so years in to the past.

I would rather the money spent on putting migrants up in hotels was spend on British people. That does not make me racist.

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So, what's the legal route to claim asylum in the UK?

Maybe the problem isn't the refugees and asylum seekers, maybe it's the system. The system set up by our government. So, that's a political choice to make the system the problem. Like, asylum seekers not being allowed to work.

Maybe it's the government's political choices which have led to the crisis in the NHS, the cost of living crisis, homelessness, low wages, the need for food banks, public services run for profit by the private sector. Not asylum seekers and immigrants.

Maybe a bit more critical thinking wouldn't go amiss. The UK is one of the richest economies in the world but we still have kids going to school without breakfast. That's not the fault of immigrants.

😂😪 and how do they reach the UK? without passing through all the other countries they SHOULD have claimed asylum in? Are you genuinely saying everyone who supported the UK invasion of Afghanistan has been given the opportunity of resettling in the UK? Identified and whisked out of Afghanistan or refugee camps, given asylum in the UK and helped to settle here?

They all have homes, their children are in school...

I wish that was the casde.