So what is the answer to the migrant crisis?

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Just had a conversation with DH about the migrant crisis.

DH is more left wing than me (I'm more in the middle). I asked him to explain what he thinks about the migrant crisis that is in the news (as in people coming over in dinghies into Kent).

He said that we should support them as they often bring us skills and will eventually work and pay taxes.

I get that historically immigration had resulted in this but can't help but think that firstly, this country is on its knees and can't cope having to support these people and also that the I don't believe all these people have skills to offer us.

I know we lost a large number of farm workers etc through Brexit,

Without jumping on me and calling me a bigot etc can anyone please help me explain why we shouldn't just be sending them straight back?

Please just help me to understand.

Also the issue is going to grow much worse. Flooding in Nigeria, Venezuela, Australia, war in Ukraine, poverty and war and climate change arent slowing down. It isn't sustainable as it is and not sure how it can be made sustainable with the world the way it is.

Not really , you can't process people unless they have the correct papers, unfortunately they don't. This is why its time consuming and costly . Nobody knows who they are or their background

Unfortunately people get labelled bigots , racists etc when they express differing opinions.

France is as “safe” as the UK , as are many other counties they pass through.

However, as we know , UK is THE destination to get to … free housing, schooling , healthcare and not to mention money handouts .
Which you don’t get elsewhere.

What’s not to like??

But we can’t talk about it because as I said, labelling happens and it gets all nasty and ridiculous …. 🤔🙄

We need to process and move people on faster. Large swathes of the country are absolutely desperate for workers - skilled and unskilled. We need to welcome people and move them to places they can get jobs.

Thanks for that info.

It's ironic that more is being spent on supporting them whilst they are being processed than it would cost to get their arses in gear and get a better system in place.

Unfortunately I think the answer is to help improve the places they've come from.

But also - this country is built on immigrants, so make it simple and relatively easy for migrants to live, work and contribute to society. We need so many different types of people. The fruit pickers should be as welcome as the doctors.

Work permits should be easy to get - but also easy to lose. There's a big concern about immigrants not having 'British values', which I presume is code for 'happy to treat women etc like shit' and absolutely it should be made clear that people like that aren't welcome. But aren't the majority just looking for a better life for their families?

We need to make it financially unattractive for traffickers to fill up boats, but that's easier said than done.

We do need to make sure that our public services can cope with increases in numbers. But I don't think it's a bad thing for more people to be registered at the GP if it means more care workers looking after older people in their own homes.

Asylum to be claimed offshore at first safe country to gain entry to UK. Processing centres through embassies.

Fast track for those proving professional background ( doctors etc)
Loans for costs ( like student loans now) repay through pay later.

Boats in channel turned round.

Economic migrants processed offshore, proof of sponsorship required, accommodation, job offers, health insurance, private schools. No recourse to public funds until 5 years of tax/ NI at high rate. No public housing eligibility for 10 years.

Prison ships offshore for illegal immigrants caught before returning to country of origin. If no ID ( destroyed to evade authorities) country to be presumed from intelligence( language etc)

No documents, no entry, for anyone.

We should open a system similar to Australia where the ones regardless of origin who have sufficient skills can apply for a work visa from home before traveling. I would include hospitality and farm working in this group if they have a job with say a minimum 18month contract. Anyone without kids who arrives across the channel is housed in a proper processing centre (like army barracks) until a decision is made regardless of how long that is. Those with kids are housed in HMO/university halls style accommodation. Relax the law on HMOs for housing transient workers to stop having to pay for hotels.

They should also be spread out across the country, we are in the north east true migrants (I.e. not those holding a work sponsor) are incredibly rare yet the south is struggling to house them.

I kind of agree with this. I understand when people are escaping war, but then they pass through other peaceful larger countries and instead of settling there they choose to keep travelling to get to the UK, which is a tiny country with little space, limited resources and there’s not even enough housing for our own citizens.

I think the main motivation they have for being so determined to settle in the UK is the NHS, benefits, council houses. They expect to come here and have it all handed to them on a plate, meanwhile we don’t have enough houses for the people who have lived here all their lives… Also I have noticed some people from other cultures that move here seem to have very large families (I don’t know why, maybe it’s religious reasons and not believing in contraception or something??🤷🏼‍♀️), so it’s not just the people coming in stretching our resources but also the likely growth in population in the generations to come. Will there be enough houses built for the next generation and the generation after that?? 🤔

@LargeglassofRosePlease ''France is as “safe” as the UK , as are many other counties they pass through.However, as we know , UK is THE destination to get to … free housing, schooling , healthcare and not to mention money handouts .
Which you don’t get elsewhere. What’s not to like??''

FFS.

• Schooling is free in France. The healthcare provision there is a thousand times better than in the UK.
• The UK actually has much lower benefits and pensions than most EU countries
• It is rubbish to suggest that asylum seekers will get a lovely house, a large cheque and whatever else the Daily Mail is foaming at the mouth about this week

Britain happily invaded other countries for centuries and created an empire and the English language became widely used as a results. They are consequences to that.

I think people should be encouraged to enter the country legally and go through proper process to live here.

I've got family who went through endless hoop's to live in Australia. I don't see the difference to here except it's a large country ..

When times get hard people look for scapegoats. I've worked with asylum seekers they don't get houses and money
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

Yes but other European countries behaved in the same way

We weren't alive when this happened

This should have been implemented years ago

Not sure about the prison ships though

I saw a report that they had kicked the lifeboat training cohort out of a hotel to get in the migrants, which I found ironic.

I'd be interested to hear your views on the refugees that the UK has taken in from Ukraine.

To see the scale of the arrivals by dinghy, please look at my friends reporting of the channel crossings -

facebook.com/100035399160971/

Usually the people calling you "bigot" are the same people who live in rich areas with barely any immigrants and have no life experience. Extremely long waiting lists for medical treatment, long waiting lists for council homes as well as extremely high prices for privately renting, I know so many people who are homeless or living in bedsits with their children. There aren't many countries on earth who have such suicidal immigration policies or where you get called "bigot, racist" etc for disagreeing with this madness

If the place they came from is so awful why did they leave their female relatives there?

Leave the EU so we can take full control of our own borders and stop illegal immigrants coming over... oh

I dont think it matters that we werent alive. The impact is the person speaks english and is more likely to have family here so its easier to get going, plus its a stepping stone to the states.

Imagine you had to start over, would you go somewhere you had no liks and no language or somewhere you did.

What is the evidence for a migrant 'crisis'?

@museumum again, they have no, papers, they can't be processed
@Whizzi24 so because you listened to the radio it's true ? This has been happening for years and years , if the numbers haven't shown its increased I'll eat my hat, the numbers just haven't been recorded consistently, you know like mean, mode and median
You can alter the result quite legitimately just know your arithmetic

I also don't like the idea of ruthless people smugglers and I can only think cracking down on these awful flimsye dinghy is a good thing.

@AntlerRose

Do you mean the USA?