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Ukraine Invasion: Part 34

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MagicFox · 23/10/2022 21:29

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 11:09

Jimmy Rushton
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Something very interesting happening in the city of Kherson, where Russian flags at checkpoints and over the city administration building have disappeared.

Checkpoints that were once manned by Russian troops are now abandoned...

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 11:13

There are many reports this is happening. Not sure how many are independent and how many are ricocheting off the Twitter echochamber

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 11:15

Also a report from Kherson people that the Russians have left Chornobaivka and other villages completely

blueshoes · 03/11/2022 12:16

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 11:09

Jimmy Rushton
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Something very interesting happening in the city of Kherson, where Russian flags at checkpoints and over the city administration building have disappeared.

Checkpoints that were once manned by Russian troops are now abandoned...

Interesting if true. Russian forces may be hiding in plain clothes in the homes abandoned by civilians recently forced to evacuate.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/11/2022 12:18

Ijsbear, loving your new name πŸ˜‚

That's such good news about Kherson, let's hope it's not a ploy to ambush UAF as blueshoes said.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 12:18

Someone pointed out it could also be trap to draw Ukraine in.

blueshoes · 03/11/2022 12:19

@DesdamonasHandkerchief Another emotional one, sorry blueshoes!:

twitter.com/igorfrommkyiv/status/1587884830125350913?s=61&t=Ql-rXJNF3kAF5PvTIYeuuQ

Hehe, nice compilation there, including pets. Will salt that one away as a pick me up. Thanks!

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2022 12:48

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 11:15

Also a report from Kherson people that the Russians have left Chornobaivka and other villages completely

They left Chornobaivka some days ago. Its been known for a while they had abandoned the airfield.

I AM expecting a big Russian collaspe at some point soon, but flags being removed from check points, is weird and worrying.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/11/2022 12:58

The latest Lawrence Freedman piece:

Why Putin prefers β€˜War-War’ to β€˜Jaw-Jaw’

samf.substack.com/p/why-putin-prefers-war-war-to-jaw?sd=pf

MissConductUS · 03/11/2022 13:05

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2022 09:18

Russian casualties at the third highest since the beginning of the war again. +730.

All three of the highest figures have been this week.

950 on Sunday, 800 yesterday, 730 today.

Thats significant and very much says where Russia are currently at.

The coming days will be interesting.

That's what happens when you take office workers and shopkeepers and send them into combat with no real training and rubbish equipment.

The political problem that this will create is that Putin will have to mobilize/conscript thousands more civilian, military-aged men. That will cause more domestic unrest and further hobble the Russian economy.

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2022 13:12

Yesterday there were reports of all boats in Kherson being rendered unusable.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/11/2022 13:49

That's true RedToothBrush, something doesn't feel right about this evacuation, I hope the UAF are being cautious, if people on Twitter can see it could be a trap I'm sure it's on their radar too.

On the mobilisation front, more of this please:

In #Ulyanovsk, #Russia, several hundred of mobilised troops from Chuvashia staged a riot due to not being paid the promised β‚½300,000.

The National Guard was brought to the training centre, and all shooting classes were also canceled.

https://twitter.com/alexkokcharov/status/1588070651868446721?s=61&t=bgQYcC--_agUkKYH5q06VQ

It would be better if they were protesting about the futility and illegitimacy of the war but money works as well.

blueshoes · 03/11/2022 14:07

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/11/2022 12:58

The latest Lawrence Freedman piece:

Why Putin prefers β€˜War-War’ to β€˜Jaw-Jaw’

samf.substack.com/p/why-putin-prefers-war-war-to-jaw?sd=pf

Depressing and worth a read - Putin needs the war to continue:

"... Put crudely for Putin to stay in power Russia needs to stay in the war.

His concern is not only that any conceivable deal will appear as a loss, but a deal that truly ends the fighting will be followed by a reckoning. So long as the war continues Putin is protected to a degree by patriotic urges to support the motherland when it is in peril, and also the opportunities war provides for censorship and tight control of all dissent. Without the war the consequences of his folly will be exposed. The legacy will not be expanded territory but instead a contracted economy, continued international isolation, a diminished reputation, and a multitude of disillusioned followers, bereaved families, and traumatised veterans with nothing to remember with pride.

Staying in the war was the point of mobilisation. Without it, shortages of manpower meant that Russian forces would struggle to keep it going. The first tranches of mobilised troops were dumped in the front line to hold positions under threat from Ukrainian advances. Putin’s aim remains to hold these lines for the next few months so when winter ends the rest of these troops can be turned into a moderately professional force capable at least of allowing the battles to grind on, just so long as more military humiliations can be averted.

...

Faced with stark chocies Moscow might suddenly discover a serious interest in negotiations. Until then, however, there is little choice but for Kyiv, with Western support, to persevere with its efforts to liberate territory until a point is reached where a Russian defeat can no longer be denied – or, to use another Churchillian phrase, to β€˜keep buggering on.’"

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2022 14:14

This from 30th October From the Ukrainian General Staff Facebook page:

The occupation authorities of the temporarily occupied territory of the Kherson region are trying to create conditions unsuitable for the local civilian population in the controlled territory. Thus, in Nova Kakhovka, since October 29 of this year, access to the Internet has been turned off and, through loudspeakers, they are spreading information about the need to leave the region within 48 hours due to the threat of allegedly missile strikes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Medical personnel of local hospitals and operational services of the city are subject to priority so-called "evacuation". In addition, the occupation authorities issued a decree obliging entrepreneurs to sell off all food products and close shops and markets from November 1, 2022.

According to available information, the enemy is taking preparatory measures to withdraw artillery units from the right-bank part of the Kherson region, with their subsequent possible transfer to other directions.

There were also reports of forced evacutions and Russians moving into homes in Nova Kakhovka over the last couple of days.

Last night there were big fires at Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant near or on the small bridge from the Dam (apparently from Russian attacks not Ukrainian ones).

Within the last 20 mins or so there have been more reports of big explosions around this location in Nova Kakhovka. There are also reports of explosions in the Kherson Shipyard area within the last hour too.

This DOES smell like a possible Russian withdrawal, but also its possible they will go ahead with that dam destruction to solidify their position in south Kherson. It certainly is looking like what they are attempting to do at least.

That would match up with a sudden withdrawal from Kherson City with talk of something bad about to happen, and why there is talk of a trap too.

If that is the case, it does beg the question of how many Russians are just about to be abandoned on the wrong side of the river from their own side?

In some good news: 107 Ukrainian POWs, including 74 Azovstal defenders freed in prisoner exchange this afternoon.

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2022 14:21

This is very reassuring:

Shashank Joshi AT shashj (20mins ago)
Western official, with an update on the war on November 3rd. Quite a few useful insights on Russia's withdrawal of command elements from Kherson right bank, possibility of "operational level" developments in Svatove in east, and playing down of nuclear risk & Belarus front.

Western official:
"We're seeing a force gradually growing with the arrival of mobilised reservistsβ€”but a low quality one likely little suited to complex offensive operations. Above all, the Russians are critically short of munitions."

Western official on Russian munitions: "somewhere between what they had at start of conflict and what they need to keep for [a] potential NATO conflict ... is trade space. And...they have eaten dangerously into that, to a point where they cannot use them casually"

Western official: "they have lots of things in storage. The problem with that is ... it has to be fit for purpose. Many of those munitions coming out of storage wouldn't be passed for use in a Western military environment; they would fail the standards tests."

Western official expresses confidence that Russian planning to withdraw from Kherson is "well advanced. A large portion of the civilian population has now moved east and Russia has highly likely prioritised a temporary bolstering of force in the area to cover the retreat."

Western official: "it's likely that most echelons of command have now withdrawn across the river, leaving demoralised and leaderless men to face Ukrainian assaults." Calls it "terrible leadership". Adds that Russian defensive lines on Dnieper right bank being built up.

Western official: "the [Kherson] retreat is going to be presented as an evacuation. So it won't be presented as a military retreat in that sense. When it does go ahead, we expect another uptick in pointed domestic criticism of Russia's national leadership."

Western official: "Rates of losses of sudden types of Russian helicopters remain extremely high. They are using an increasingly desperate collection of ageing long range munitions to strike targets at depth...at least some reservists are arriving in a theatre without weapons."

Western official on Luhansk front. In Donbas, "we've seen a reduction in fighting but we haven't seen a cessation in fighting". Singles out importance of Svatove: "The developments in Svatove sector have the potential to soon assume operational level of significance."

Western official on Russia's long-standing attack in the Bakhmut direction. Says Russians pushed back a week ago; "it's in statelmate at the moment...it's kind of totemic for them they don't want to give up. And in particular I think for Wagner group, they feel it's important."

Official: "support for the war...remains fairly consistent in the Russian leadership group & debate is over the means...we do not see at this stage that debates within the top of the Russian system over the conduct of the war, reflect any serious threats to Putin's position"

Western official: "in terms of nuclear activity, I've seen nothing which gives me cause for concern. In fact, [Russian] MFA has made another statement about the conditions under which nuclear weapons would be used, which ... downplay the risks of them being used"

A different Western official: "what we see in their [Russian] public statements is apparently an attempt to de-escalate the nuclear rhetoric which they have previously generated. And that is something which we thoroughly support". Ref. to this statement:

Russian government statement on nuclear war. An important line, which seems to be drafted with some care: β€œRussian doctrinal approaches in this sphere are defined with utmost accuracy, pursue solely defensive goals and do not admit of expansive interpretation”

Western official on risk of attack by/from Belarus: "I'm not currently worried about...Belarus. The Russian forces which are deployed in Belarus appear to be deployed in the centre of the country away from the borders and, in our judgement, are there to fix Ukrainian forces"

Western official on morale: "we see pockets of desperate morale issues, both command level and from the troops themselves. What is difficult to say, as you piece it all together is, is how how endemic that is to the whole Russian community." Adds: no sign of mutiny.

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2022 14:59

NOΓ‹L AT NOELreports
Cars with loudspeakers drive around Kakhovka and Nova Kakhovka, warning that everyone must leave the city by November 7, deputy of the Kherson Regional Council Serhiy Khlan said during a briefing.

β€œThey promise that an exit will be organized, it’s not clear where, it’s not clear on what. Forced eviction from private houses in Kakhovka and Nova Kakhovka, which are located close to the coast of the Dnieper River,” he said.

blueshoes · 03/11/2022 15:31

@RedToothBrush In some good news: 107 Ukrainian POWs, including 74 Azovstal defenders freed in prisoner exchange this afternoon.

Hurray. That is a boatload. I wonder if that was negotiated by Turkey.

Very suspicious what is happening in Kherson. Are RU evacuating, are they not? This is the first time (I probably missed others) I am reading about Russia doing a feint withdrawal rather than a disorderly abandonment of positions. The latest Russian commander Surovikin seems to be more effective [not good]

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/11/2022 15:31

Lots of conflicting info on Twitter:

Iuliia Mendel:
Russians take more of flags down in Kherson. And call the citizens to leave. Pro-russian collaborator said that he is not interested in β€œnationalists and those who wait” (for πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦army), but called for Russian citizens and pro-russian to leave, because smth bad will happen there

https://twitter.com/iuliiamendel/status/1588153385622044681?s=61&t=-LTv1s8N4G-JSgfW9FurKA

Dmitri@wartranslated:
GREY ZONE suggests the flags are being removed from the Kherson city administration in order to not give Ukrainians an opportunity to film patriotic videos with replacement of the flags like they did before.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1588163963602223105?s=61&t=-LTv1s8N4G-JSgfW9FurKA

Don't know how reliable this source is but the Russian cruelty to both humans and animals seems to know no bounds:

In Russian occupied #Crimea, Sevastopol, owner of Flipper dolphinarium threw his dolphins into the sea, injuring 1. Complained he didn't have money to feed them. Because they're domesticated & can't fend for themselves, dolphins wont swim away & instead call out for help

https://twitter.com/glasnostgone/status/1588178924827475968?s=61&t=-LTv1s8N4G-JSgfW9FurKA

EdithStourton · 03/11/2022 16:13

blueshoes · 03/11/2022 12:19

@DesdamonasHandkerchief Another emotional one, sorry blueshoes!:

twitter.com/igorfrommkyiv/status/1587884830125350913?s=61&t=Ql-rXJNF3kAF5PvTIYeuuQ

Hehe, nice compilation there, including pets. Will salt that one away as a pick me up. Thanks!

Well, that was a proper tear-jerker.

I wonder if all the boats in Kherson were destroyed to make it impossible for troops to retreat across the river: they will have no option but to fight or become POW.

MissConductUS · 03/11/2022 17:23

EdithStourton · 03/11/2022 16:13

Well, that was a proper tear-jerker.

I wonder if all the boats in Kherson were destroyed to make it impossible for troops to retreat across the river: they will have no option but to fight or become POW.

They may have wanted to deny the boats to the Ukrainians after the city falls.

Putin's in a tough spot with Kherson. He's invested a lot in taking and occupying it. It will be another epic military and political loss for him when it falls. From a purely military point of view, the Russians are desperately short of well-trained soldiers, and there are (or were) a few thousand of them in the city, so it makes sense to get them out.

I would expect the Ukrainians to take their time moving into the city itself, other than small recon or scouting forces. They need more intelligence about what the Russians still have in the city.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 17:40

well worth watching for a lighter touch:

twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1588156178202255360

L1ttledrummergirl · 03/11/2022 18:26

@blueshoes that made me bawl. Reminiscent of Paris at the end of wwii.
Absolutely beautiful.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/11/2022 18:39

Mala Seydemynukha in Kherson region has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

twitter.com/mhmck/status/1588224958362259456?s=12

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 19:04

Big news

NLwartracker
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More news from Kherson, πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί forces seem to have released all prisoners from captivity. And have left the police HQ and FSB offices in the city.

Igotjelly · 03/11/2022 19:43

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 03/11/2022 19:04

Big news

NLwartracker
@NLwartracker
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More news from Kherson, πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί forces seem to have released all prisoners from captivity. And have left the police HQ and FSB offices in the city.

I want to say good news….. but then I remember I’m cynical these days 😭