Thread 17:. Big Dog returns?

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Sorry but it was a cock up.
He's an excellent presenter & journalist but there will be those that will be delighted to use this against him for ever more.
C4 are under threat. Ch4 news are ignored by Conservatives time & time again and now they have something to hide behind.

Just heard David Simmons on sky say ‘we just need to get on with the job’. That’d be lovelyDave but your party seems pretty incapable of that.

Apparently the Whips haven't resigned after all...

twitter.com/jackelsom/status/1582829362101260288?s=46&t=xexX1hxQtW2qj-kwALt46Q

While o certainly agree that people will use it against him, I think it will be lost in the melee fairly soon.

Every time I look on my screen there's some Tory MP coming out of the shadows putting forth their vision for Britain. None of them agree with each other. This is the huge vacuum that the Truss crisis has opened up. We need fucking governance!!!!!!

C4 are under threat. Ch4 news are ignored by Conservatives time & time again and now they have something to hide behind

Well if Truss and co (ERG) continues to implode like we’re seeing, maybe there’s slightly less chance that pressure will carry on. BBC too, just leave the politicking out of it, and they can just be broadcasters, not some twisted version of how the Tory’s see the world.

We can hope Lonelycrab.

Neither do I!

Well I would say they are only words. I judge by actions.

Prime Minister Liz Truss grabbed Wendy Morton’s arm to try to persuade her not to resign but Morton left the lobby trailing the Prime Minister behind her. In the chaos, the premier did not vote.

twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1582823352909332482?t=dNVcp1rfxw_EqDiluT1n3w&s=19

All very normal.

According to LBC, Chief Whip and deputy have now apparently unresigned

A Conservative MP texts: “if Graham Brady doesn’t act after this then never mind the PM, the whole of the 22 should be replaced by Monday morning.”

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Meanwhile Steve Baker is saying that No 10 have said they are likely to reappoint Braverman in the New Year!!!
What the fuck is going on?

Another U-turn

According to LBC, Chief Whip and deputy have now apparently unresigned

They've gone beyond u-turning, and are now just spinning in ever decreasing circles.

Maybe just spinning on the spot actually, in a smaller and smaller huddle, like one of those faded signs you used to see, spinning in the wind outside a petrol station

GE now, for the good of the country.

"While this pathetic pantomime plays out I keep thinking of a woman I heard on the radio today.
She was saving the last little bit left on her key meter til Friday when her granddaughter was due to visit."

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& now I'm angry all over again.

I think that Graham Brady will do something.

He has actually always struck me as fairly sensible and they can't go on like this, it's complete chaos.

I really wish that Sir Kier Starmer wouldn't try jokes! As much as I am not keen on the latest government, weak jokes and attempting a stand routine up isnt what is needed just now ,however tempting it might be. Plus his not good at it.
It has been another chaotic day and it's clear they can't keep any kind of order though
It's sad that it's the people who have to just watch and wonder what happens next ?
It's just sad.

Found you!

I think there's only so much he can do, however.

As 1922 Ctee chairman he can receive no-confidence letters, he can call meetings with backbenchers, and he can relay some of what's discussed to the PM. But that's basically it.

Perhaps the better issue is when the King intervenes.

As I understand it, if there's a no-confidence vote in the Prime Minister in which case there must be a general election, but I think that may have gone with the Fixed Terms Parliament Act. But what happens if there's such chaos that it's clear that no one individual can govern? Presumably the King makes a best guess, appoints a caretaker PM and dissolves Parliament so there will be a general election.

Was just speculating earlier if the King could have a word? It has all gone to rat shit since Truss was made PM.
If she doesn’t go tomorrow I am scared how the rest of the week will go.
The behaviour of the Tories tonight has gone beyond anything ever seen and I am fearful about the palpable anger which is brewing in our Parliament and in our people.

I don’t think Charles will want to be seen to be meddling so early in his reign. The optics are terrible. Like it or not the Conservatives won an overall majority through a fair democratic process. Whilst I can’t wait to see the back of them and hope an election is called it simply wouldn’t be right for an unelected monarch to step in.

Well they all went down the pub afterwards for drinks to reward themselves for a good job.

Will they ever get through a day without a party?

The prerogative powers of the monarch get exercised on the advice of the Prime Minister. This is by convention: the actual power remains with the monarch

But (leastways as I understand it) convention allows the monarch to intervene to the minimum amount necessary to ensure there is a functioning government and parliament. It can be controversial - see the Gough Whitlam affair in Australia for example (basically the governor-general fired the PM, but what made it controversial was that the GG arguably didn't need to do it.)

A less fraught example is George VI appointing Churchill rather than Lord Halifax in 1940. Apparently it wasn't clear who had most support, so the king made his own choice.

Worth noting that this was all caused by Labour’s shadow Secretary of State for Net Zero & Climate Change bringing a vote on fracking. This is, in other words, chaos with Ed Milliband