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5 month old and 2 year old killed by family pet pitbulls

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eucalippy · 08/10/2022 09:17

That the family had for over 8 years without a single prior violent incident. The attack went on for ten minutes leaving the baby boy and 2 year old girl dead and the mother with an "uncountable amount of stitches and injuries"

Stuff like this makes me so sad but scares me too, I've always been scared of big dogs, but it's something I try and keep at bay and not put on to my kids. My brother and his wife have 2 Rottweilers who I was petrified of at first but have learnt to be around, they are very calm but stuff like this makes me feel like I can never take the kids round there again because what if they just turn?

I know about the whole it's owners not breed spiel, but stuff like this brings that into question surely? You can never truly know what a dog might do can you? Sad

Link if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about. RIP to those beautiful kids.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/baby-sister-killed-pitbulls-memphis-b2197336.html?amp

OP posts:
stayathomer · 15/10/2022 16:29

(Ps as he gets older or kids get older it might change!!)

dawngreen · 15/10/2022 17:32

Easy to say but most humans are not dog trainers and don’t have the time/capacity or desire to become a trainer,

Being a dog trainer has nothing to do with it!!!

You don't leave kids to become feral then whine you don't want to be a child minder!

If you bring a dog into your house as part of the family you MAKE TIME !

Buy a toy instead then.

stayathomer · 15/10/2022 18:41

If you bring a dog into your house as part of the family you MAKE TIME !
As I said we have and are training the dog (we go to spca classes on Sundays, are on our second round of classes) but I’ll never have the abilities of a person who trains dogs for a living and I don’t have the time to. Sorry, that was what I meant. People who say their dogs are trained- they’re trained to the best of their abilities, which may not even be sufficient

stayathomer · 15/10/2022 18:42

Ps we don’t see him as a toy, he’s a member of our family

musingsinmidlife · 16/10/2022 07:36

These children weren't alone with the dogs. The mother was in the room with them and if the rumours are true, she was wearing the baby. However she was no match for two pit bulls.

Fufumcgoo · 16/10/2022 07:46

People need to treat dogs like dogs and understand them and their behaviour, train them well and be an active owner, but many aren't that engaged with the animal.

People need to teach their children how to be around dogs. Buy they don't do this either.

I am 100% for owners licenses, the keeping of dna samples and the immediate removal of an animal who is not being properly managed. But they will never do that.

Fufumcgoo · 16/10/2022 07:49

Try harder then

Queuesarasarah · 16/10/2022 09:10

mam0918 · 08/10/2022 12:15

Little dogs are FAR more vicous and dangerous than big dogs as they breed to be violent (most hunting dogs, racing dog, fighting etc... are smaller breads like jack rusell, dachshund, spanial, whippet etc...) where as big dog where most breed for rescue rolls and work rolls because they are HIGHLY trainable (alsations, retrievers, labradors, st bernards, collies, huskeys).

I had to have hundreds of stiches and 3 on going surgeries from just one bite from a lap dog, he went for my throat so dont think 'size' matters at all, I grew up around large dogs and worked in a vets when younger and have only ever been bitten by small dogs.

Springer spaniels are bred to collect prey and bring to the owner uneaten and drop it. It’s much less likely they wouldn’t let go and their inbred instinct is to protect the creature in their mouth whilst bringing it back to the owner. I’m not saying they couldn’t hurt someone but it’s much less likely to do the bite and not let go thing.

HoundofHades · 16/10/2022 12:36

"Springer spaniels are bred to collect prey and bring to the owner uneaten and drop it. It’s much less likely they wouldn’t let go and their inbred instinct is to protect the creature in their mouth whilst bringing it back to the owner."

Only if they are the working gun dog strain(s), I'm afraid. If they're the show dog strain(s), then they may as well be a different breed altogether. The show strain is more inbred than the (original) working one - and, in my experience, far more work to train. Having said that, however, both strains need a lot of experience and work put in to successfully train them. Spaniels - Springers in particular - are renowned for being easily bored, due to their intelligence. Think, 2 year old child on a huge sugar rush...

The Spaniel I spoke about on this thread last week, the one who'd sit on my small son if someone knocked at the door, so that he knew where the lowest member of his pack was in case of danger (and who would have easily gone for the throat of someone trying to hurt either one of my children, too, of that I have never been in any doubt!), was from working stock. His parents and maternal grandmother were all (a) owned and worked in the field by their breeder and (b) champions in their class. By the time he was 5 months old, I'd trained him to understand and follow hand- as well as verbal-signals - and for 13 years, he would watch my hands as well as listen to my voice. If he couldn't hear me (ie, on the school run when strange toddlers would attach themselves to him without permission or warning), he'd watch my hands intently, so focused on that instead of the 2 year old pulling on his ears, or his collar, whilst I remonstrated with their parents. The amount of times I was informed that because my dog was a Spaniel, he would never hurt a child... and the amount of times I pointed out that his breed actually didn't matter - he was a dog, with all the instincts of one, and he was just as capable of snapping at a child's face and scarring them for life as any other dog! Other than the children he lived with, our Spaniel didn't actually have much time for children (he was teased, badly, by neighbouring children when he was a puppy - and never forgot, or forgave them for it!), but he instinctively turned to me - as his trainer, as his leader, as his Mum (for lack of a better definition) - for guidance, reassurance and protection. Had I not been focused on keeping up with his training, then I am fully aware he would, in all likelihood, have bitten one of the toddlers who thought he was a living, breathing toy there, at the school gates, for their amusement alone. I was tempted to bite their ignorant parents, for their inability to watch their own offspring rather than staring at their 'phones for a few minutes, so...!

Also, like Labradors, a Springer has what's known as a "draw bite" - their teeth dig in and draw the flesh towards them, into a hold. Even though these are two of the top 10 dogs to get if you have young children - in my opinion, their bites are the worst. Labradors and Retrievers more so.

Had I not known what I was doing, were I not fully immersed in dog training from the age of 3 years old (when I was given my very first dog - a Lab/Whippet cross), and had I not sourced the breeder of my Spaniel almost 3 years prior to getting him (and gotten to know the proposed parents, and spent time observing them and the maternal grandmother in person), a Springer is probably one of the last breeds I would have gone for with a toddler in the house (they have a low boredom threshold - essentially, even at 12/13 years old, they're like toddlers on a sugar rush!). I did my due diligence, as they say, I didn't wake up one day and think to myself "I want a puppy!" and immediately rush out to buy one. And yes; whilst the Spaniel was a member of the family - just as all of my dogs have been - I am always very conscious of the fact that he was also a dog. Of the damage he could have done to any human had he so chosen to do so. I read books on training him, I sought advice from his breeder - even when our Spaniel was 10 years old, I could call the breeder he came from and ask for advice! - and I worked with him every single day. I put the work in, daily, for 13 years with him, and as a result, he turned out to be a fantastic dog. He could so easily not have been, though. And that would have been on me, for not stepping up and actually putting the effort in with him even when he was past the cute puppy stage.

It's the old adage, I'm afraid, in that a dog is for the duration of their life - not just the cute puppy stage.

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