Can we all start saying “Queen Camilla” now and not “Queen Consort” every time.

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The BBC particularly are driving me loopy with it.

It isn’t the traditional way to refer to a consort. It was emphasised as part of the “make Camilla acceptable” campaign, but that’s over now.

Queen Camilla is fine by me. I couldn't care less what they call themselves. Charles and Diana were as bad as each other and I like Camilla.

Had her marriage not ended or had she not died, then maybe she would have had a chance. As it is, there was another woman in her marriage… who is now taking the title of consort.

This is the first time a mistress and divorcee who isn’t the mother of the next in line has come to the title of Queen Consort. Maybe it is just new?

Well, obviously she isn't the Queen Mother, no-one suggested she was. She's become Queen Consort through marrying the heir to the throne, because fortunately we grew up and realised that the fact that someone had been married before shouldn't disqualify them.

Baggage is irrelevant. No-one suggested Anne Boleyn wasn't Queen because she'd committed adultery with Henry VIII, who incidentally was the person who founded the CoE.

Prince Philip was the consort. Is that because he was somehow unworthy and the "other man"?

It’s only the ex-mistress aspect that is causing this silliness.

Perhaps, to some extent, but it's more the potential confusion between the late Queen who has been The Queen for the past 70 years and the new Queen, who is now The Queen. People still think of Elizabeth when they see or hear "the Queen."

Diana has the sympathy here. She was used to breed the heir and spare. There was another woman in her marriage. The marriage ended. Then she died young.

They’ve got to be sensitive to the optics.

Queen Consort is less syllables than Queen Camilla 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don't think she will ever be known as Queen Camilla, even though this makes sense. I could never get my head round why Catherine isn't know as Princess even thought it's on her children's birth certificates that she is a 'Princess' of the United Kindgom.

Agreed

Maybe Camilla requested the title Queen Consort over Queen Camilla. She doesn't appear to particularly court fame or limelight and by using a job title rather than her name, she acts as a support to the King rather than the other half of the King/Queen coin.

Not quite. All Henry VIII's wives after the first became Queen when they were not the mothers to the next in line. And if we can put up with a king who divorces and beheads his wives, we can cope with a queen who is a divorcée.

Catherine is and was a princess from the time of her marriage. But the practice in the UK is that only princesses by birth can be known as Princess Firstname. From marriage she was (and still is) Princess William, plus her other titles, and most recently, Princess of Wales (but not Princess Catherine).

I think she will gradually become known as Princess now she is Princess of Wales.

I think its purely down to the fact its such a new change. Instinctively if someone says The Queen, at the moment we still think of the late Queen. I think it'll just be a transitional thing while we get used to her absence & there now being a King & a different Queen.

I doubt after 26 years it has anything remotely to do with Diana

I agree with the OP I hope the consort bit gets dropped soon. I wish at the same time they'd stop calling Kate, Kate Middleton.

She was the mistress who helped end the marriage between the Queen Mother (Diana) and the King

Diana wasn't Queen Mother. She was Princess of Wales who if she had become queen and survived Charles might have become QM.

Consort is a reminder that Camilla is not quite Queen Mother material, because that’s true. She is not the mother of the next in line, she’s the other woman

Consort just means wife. It has no moral connotations at all.

This is the first time a mistress and divorcee who isn’t the mother of the next in line has come to the title of Queen Consort.

Ever heard of Ann Boleyn?

I read somewhere that one reason journalists have used, and are still using Kate Middleton, is that is what is usually searched when people are trying to get information about her.

This is the first time a mistress and divorcee who isn’t the mother of the next in line has come to the title of Queen Consort. Maybe it is just new?

Divorced, no, but widowed yes, and she was just Queen Catherine (last wife of Henry VIII.

Diana might have been Queen if they'd not divorced.

But she was never in line to be a Queen Mother as William never even had a girlfriend called Diana let alone marrying one/

Not my Queen

This is the first time a mistress and divorcee who isn’t the mother of the next in line has come to the title of Queen Consort. Maybe it is just new?

Queen Consort is the wife of the king. Whose mother she is is irrelevant. All Henry VIII's wives were queen consorts.

Except she is.

Two requirements to be a queen mother: the person has to have been a queen and the person has to be the mother of the monarch.

When the mother of the monarch has not been queen, another title has to be used as with the mother of Henry VII, Lady Margaret Beaufort, who was known as My Lady, the King's Mother.

It's bananas that someone in 2022(Charles not Camilla I mean, I'm not that thick 😅) that someone should be born into such a title. Can't imagine being able to trace lineage back as far back as they can, with the first king being the queens 30th great granduncle. I'm lucky if I can trace mine back 100 years.

Not my Queen

Assuming you're British, yes she is. The whole bloody point is that you don't get to choose. If you don't want her (or Charles, or William, or Harry, or Andrew), then you don't want a hereditary monarchy.

OP, if you really want to start a campaign try getting the tabloids to start calling the Princess of Wales by that title and stop calling her Kate Middleton.

No

Not my Queen

If you're British, yes she is. If you're not, no she isn't.