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So the PM has repeatedly lied/made the same mistake all day?

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Explaintome · 29/09/2022 18:40

She's done loads of radio today amd it seems she said the se thing in all of them.

“We have taken action by the government stepping in, making sure that nobody is paying fuel bills of more than £2,500.”

This is blatantly wrong. Households who use the average amount of energy will pay £2500. Lots of people will pay more.

Either she deliberately lied to mislead or she doesn't understand her own policy.

Two things:

  • she's done this mulitple times today (and yesterday?) Why didn't someone in her team correct her after the first time?
  • why haven't the radio presenters been challenging her? Or did they and what was her response?
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MrsClarkandPercy · 30/09/2022 07:36

It's the most depressing blatant lying.

I too am now terrified about the state of the nation.

As if we needed this pack of clowns along with Putin and Covid.

Rishi where are you? 😥

VikingVolva · 30/09/2022 07:36

Roomytrouser · 30/09/2022 07:27

another crap leader and this one’s the worst yet but this is getting into football manger territory now - the board of the team don’t like it, change the manager. Surely we aren’t going to have another leadership election? If her party are so horrified (as they should be) can’t they use the normal mechanisms to change them?

No. This is still the honeymoon period, remember

And I'm heartily sick of watching Tories oust their chosen leader . The country did better with no government over the summer that it's doing now.

And if the Tories' preferred and chosen candidate is this awful. why the hell should anyone trust them to choose a decent leader ever again?

A club that has to keep sacking managers has something wrong within the club. Series of new managers isn't going to fix it

The Tory brand might be so fatally weakened now that a whole new centre-right (a popular political leaning) is needed. A humane and competent one

Because I'm not sure current Labour is up to the job either. They were bumping along with little support, and only look OK now as a reaction to the demise of the Tory party.

Puppylucky · 30/09/2022 07:39

@savethewales I think she knows exactly what crashed the markets, but preferred to misdirect the interviews and national conversation by banging on, inaccurately as it turned out,about the £2500 energy price cap. To be fair it's worked as this thread amply demonstrates!

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 30/09/2022 07:40

'So the PM has repeatedly lied/made the same mistake all day?'

Well that's a first, never seen this sort of thing before! 😳

AndAllOurYesterdays · 30/09/2022 07:43

She also positioned the saving misleadingly. She kept saying that energy bills would have been £6k without intervention. They wouldn't. We are above average energy users and ours would have been £4.5k without the latest cap. Only very large houses or families would have got up to £6k.

verdantverdure · 30/09/2022 07:55

My Nan heard one of these and just keeps repeating that "The Prime Minister says nobody will pay more than £2500 for the year, she wouldn't be allowed to say that if it wasn't true!"

cakeorwine · 30/09/2022 07:56

AndAllOurYesterdays · 30/09/2022 07:43

She also positioned the saving misleadingly. She kept saying that energy bills would have been £6k without intervention. They wouldn't. We are above average energy users and ours would have been £4.5k without the latest cap. Only very large houses or families would have got up to £6k.

The price cap announced that was going to come in on October 22 was £3549

NOT £6k

There was talk of what it could be in Jan 23 as it was going to change every 3 months - and speculation it could rise higher.

But the facts are that the Oct 22 price cap was set at £3549

I have heard £6k being mentioned a lot recently

BarbaraofSeville · 30/09/2022 08:03

I think £5-6k for the price cap usage from January next year was a very real possibility using the predictions given by Cornwall Insight, the market analysts, based on wholesale prices.

walkingonsunshinekat · 30/09/2022 08:03

BarbaraofSeville · 30/09/2022 07:25

You know when you see a billboard with a picture of a high spec VW Golf and it says 'VW Golf - only £199 a month' in massive letters and then From in tiny letters just before it and a great footnote that says '£199 for base model, this is a picture of the top model which costs £299 a month, but only if you put down a £10k deposit, pay £299 for 3 years and then pay another £10k after three years or give the car back. All prices quoted are excluding VAT. Oh, and that price is only if you drive 5000 miles a year, if you drive further it costs more.

When someone completely unconnected to an energy supply company says 'price cap is £2500' then this is exactly like the above. The only way to find out how much it will cost you in your circumstances is to look at your energy contract.

I know you'll bang the Tory drum at every op but this is now getting to be ludicrous.
She is supposed to be the PM but you excuse her lying? equating her to a car salesman.

Truss is borrowing 140billion to fund energy for all (inc the wealthy), so hardly unconnected to supply side energy.... though perhaps she is, she certainly has no idea.

Millions of people will believe her, especially the elderly as they tend to be a bit more trusting of our politicians.

walkingonsunshinekat · 30/09/2022 08:05

BarbaraofSeville · 30/09/2022 08:03

I think £5-6k for the price cap usage from January next year was a very real possibility using the predictions given by Cornwall Insight, the market analysts, based on wholesale prices.

Had Truss had a tiered system, with less help for the well off and more for the poor, then she 'd have had to borrow far less and been able to offer business more too.

This is what Germany did and they had to borrow an addition 60bn not 140bn, hence far lower bond yields.

BarbaraofSeville · 30/09/2022 08:15

I'm not excusing her lying, what I'm saying is that politicians lie, mislead or spin things to suit their own agenda. They all do, all the time and that is likely to never change.

What I'm saying is that, based on that, why would anyone take what they say at face value, when it only takes a tiny bit of independent research to work out that what they said wasn't true, or was so heavily caveated that it's a worthless statement.

If people are making assumptions and decisions based on a soundbite from a known unreliable source, then more fool them.

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Explaintome · 30/09/2022 08:16

BarbaraofSeville · 30/09/2022 08:15

I'm not excusing her lying, what I'm saying is that politicians lie, mislead or spin things to suit their own agenda. They all do, all the time and that is likely to never change.

What I'm saying is that, based on that, why would anyone take what they say at face value, when it only takes a tiny bit of independent research to work out that what they said wasn't true, or was so heavily caveated that it's a worthless statement.

If people are making assumptions and decisions based on a soundbite from a known unreliable source, then more fool them.

Jesus wept, the public should just accept that the PM is a "known unreliable source", even for statements with no ambiguity whatsoever?

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cakeorwine · 30/09/2022 08:16

walkingonsunshinekat · 30/09/2022 08:05

Had Truss had a tiered system, with less help for the well off and more for the poor, then she 'd have had to borrow far less and been able to offer business more too.

This is what Germany did and they had to borrow an addition 60bn not 140bn, hence far lower bond yields.

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If I was in charge, that's what I would have tried to do.

Look at usage. Charge x amount for a certain usage and then increase through tiers.

It would have to depend on circumstances.

BUT there are many people who are wasteful with energy.

The bigger issue is that energy supplies are limited. If people aren't encouraged to reduce usage, then the cost will go up.

PermanentTemporary · 30/09/2022 08:20

Agreed @Explaintome - I guess most of us accept that politicians won't tell the whole truth, will hide some things and emphasise others etc etc. That things will be said that turn out not to be true once more is known.

What seems to be new with Johnson and Truss is actual factually incorrect statements, uncorrected.

With increasing lack of statements to Parliament as the 21st century has gone on.

KinshipGran · 30/09/2022 08:21

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walkingonsunshinekat · 30/09/2022 08:24

@BarbaraofSeville Of course you are excusing her lying, ffs she is the PM of the UK, not a junior minister or your mate down the pub.

But read between the lines, she is PM, she has borrowed 140bn yet doesn't know her own policy effects, rather cavalier with our money.

Thats very concerning.

Aside, Spain is introducing a wealth tax on people with assets above 2.9m euros, so thats another country the wealth wont flee too lol!
Responsible govt from our Spanish friends.

notimagain · 30/09/2022 08:25

wrt yesterday's interviews, my take on it is that she's being allowed to dig herself into a deeper and deeper hole until her position is untenable.

Be interesting when the first >£2500 bills come in.

I suspect the response, at least initially from HMG, will be "not our fault a lot of the public didn't understand the system".

walkingonsunshinekat · 30/09/2022 08:28

cakeorwine · 30/09/2022 08:16

If I was in charge, that's what I would have tried to do.

Look at usage. Charge x amount for a certain usage and then increase through tiers.

It would have to depend on circumstances.

BUT there are many people who are wasteful with energy.

The bigger issue is that energy supplies are limited. If people aren't encouraged to reduce usage, then the cost will go up.

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Common sense isn't it?

I think the GOvt's reasoning is trying to limit energy use would lead to lower economic growth, which is ridiculous as their own mini statement is doing just that.

Frazzled2207 · 30/09/2022 08:32

She is a total disgrace. And of course won’t admit that any energy savings will be wiped out by higher mortgages now thanks to her fuck up
regarding the £2500 thing, can’t believe she is still getting it wrong (or lying) but people will understand this soon enough

one poll yesterday had a general election result as Labour end up with 600+ seats and the tories left with just 3. Bring it on!

MayThe4th · 30/09/2022 08:32

This whole thing is scripted. The journalists knew what questions they were asking, her answers were just q cards, you could hear her rustling papers on the radio interviews.

And twitter is full of people saying things like “liz truss thought she would have an easy ride on the local stations and oh how wrong she was,” and all I could think was that all the radio interviews were shite, and how does this pass for giving her a hard time?

KinshipGran · 30/09/2022 08:36

The really slarming thing this morning is that so many newspapers are leading with Truss about to cut benefits to help pay for all this shambles.

KinshipGran · 30/09/2022 08:37

alarming

drpet49 · 30/09/2022 08:59

Saucery · 29/09/2022 19:01

It’s lying to mislead, I’m sure.

This

BirmaBrite · 30/09/2022 09:00

I noticed the BBC did a piece this morning on the '£2500 price cap' explaining that it is the unit price of gas and electric that is capped, so essentially you will pay for what you use regardless of whether it is £2500 or £4500.

BirmaBrite · 30/09/2022 09:02

@KinshipGran would those be the benefits paid to working people ?