So the PM has repeatedly lied/made the same mistake all day?

[Explaintome]

She's done loads of radio today amd it seems she said the se thing in all of them.

“We have taken action by the government stepping in, making sure that nobody is paying fuel bills of more than £2,500.”

This is blatantly wrong. Households who use the average amount of energy will pay £2500. Lots of people will pay more.

Either she deliberately lied to mislead or she doesn't understand her own policy.

Two things:

• she's done this mulitple times today (and yesterday?) Why didn't someone in her team correct her after the first time?

• why haven't the radio presenters been challenging her? Or did they and what was her response?

Perhaps Keir Starmer could use PMQ to clarify this and point out that she is misleading the public!

Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves seem equally 'confused' -

The Labour leader confirmed that under his plan the energy price cap would be frozen at the current level...

Starmer said the country was facing “a national emergency” and that Labour “wouldn’t let people pay a penny more” on energy bills as a result of his “fully funded plan”.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/14/labour-announces-plan-to-freeze-energy-price-cap-with-reinforced-windfall-tax

Reeves: Bills will not rise by “a single penny” under Labour’s energy plans

labourlist.org/2022/08/reeves-bills-will-not-rise-by-a-single-penny-under-labours-energy-plans/

labourlist.org/2022/08/reeves-bills-will-not-rise-by-a-single-penny-under-labours-energy-plans/

Bring back Boris

If your bill was £1200 last year, it would be £1200 this year

(assuming you use the same amount of energy)

Did you need that clarification in there?

To be fair, the energy cap is not the only thing she has been lying about.

She has been insisting all day rush the financial crisis isn't specific to the UK but a global issue...ie nothing to do with actions taken by the UK government. It is a blatant lie and she knows it.

I would have so much more respect for them if they just acknowledged that they had failed to anticipate the market reaction, and that they now need to change course to get things back on track. Of course, there isn't a chance in hell that they'd ever demonstrate that level of honesty and humility, so instead, they're just going to carry on along the same ill-judged track, digging all of us into an ever growing hole in the meantime.

They must take us for fools.

No. Just get rid of the Tories.

She is a Tory, I'm pretty sure lying is in her job description.

cakeorwine
If your bill was £1200 last year, it would be £1200 this year

Didn't the price cap rise by 54% in April? Labour's (6 month) energy plan was published in August.

Maybe she did it deliberately because she thinks multi millionaires don't have enough of poor people's money.

I suppose it depends how you define year.

As you have to think about the cost of energy over winter, summer - and you do realise that because the price cap changes every 6 months AND people's energy is not consistent over a year, then it gets incredibly difficult and confusing to compare year on year figures.

Do you want a maths debate with the typical cost per unit in April 21 - Oct 21, Oct 21 - Jan 22, Jan 22 - March 22 etc with the variation in gas usage over quarters?

Because that would be great.

Do you know the cost per KWH of gas in Jan 21 and electricity in Jan 21, compared to April 22, Oct 22

Do you know the typical household consumption of gas during the colder months of 21 vs the summer months ?

And how it makes the 'price cap' even more confusing?

Thank you. I was sure I'd heard her say it properly but was convincing myself I must have imagined it.

cakeorwine
As you have to think about the cost of energy over winter, summer - and you do realise that because the price cap changes every 6 months AND people's energy is not consistent over a year, then it gets incredibly difficult and confusing to compare year on year figures.

Full Fact said something similar about Labour's energy plan;

What’s the problem?
^If people used the same amount of energy each month, then the rough cost of fully protecting them against price rises would be reflected in Labour’s plan.
But they don’t. People use far more energy in the dark and cold winter months, which is when the plan is meant to protect them.^
According to estimates from the energy regulator, Ofgem, a typical household in a year uses around 2,900kWh of electricity and around 12,000kWh of gas, and around 56% of this electricity and 76% of this gas is used in the period from October to March.
Labour’s costings don’t allow for this. Instead they provide money for half a year’s rise in prices at a time when people are buying more than half of the year’s energy...

fullfact.org/economy/labour-energy-bills-seasonal-consumption/

From Labour

"Keir Starmer said today (Monday) that Labour “wouldn’t let people pay a penny more” on their winter fuel bills as he unveiled the party’s plan to address the Tory cost of living crisis.

So winter fuel bill for 21 winter would be the same as the winter fuel bill for winter 22 (assuming you used the same amount)

So I guess they would have capped the cost per KWH in Oct 22 to the cost per KWH in Oct 21

(But I haven't seen the detailed costings)

Everyone seems to be missing the point that she refused to talk about the tax cuts that are crashing the economy in favour of misdirecting the conversation in the direction of inaccurate claims about the energy cap. Wake up people!

She gave them so much shit to challenge her on it came well down the list. I thought they did a fabulous job. They wiped the floor with her.

cakeorwine
So I guess they would have capped the cost per KWH in Oct 22 to the cost per KWH in Oct 21

From the Full Fact link -
What is Labour’s plan?

The plan, announced by the party leader Sir Keir Starmer on 14 August, proposes that the government should freeze domestic energy bills at the level set by the April 2022 price cap until the end of March next year—instead of allowing them to rise in October 2022 and January 2023.

ODFOD

Bit of a fuck up then

Just goes to show how misleading the price cap is.

It's a cost per unit of energy but energy usage varies during the year and the cost per unit changes twice a year.

Which is going to catch a LOT of people out this winter as gas is 3 times more than it was last winter and people use more gas in winter.

She, and Kwarteng, are both totally and utterly out of their depth. We're being "governed" by corrupt morons.

I can’t say I’m a fan of Liz Truss but you are misrepresenting what she said OP.

she did say that the typical fuel bill shouldn’t be more than £2500

In some reports she did say typical but not all, she said slightly different things in different interviews.

^It's a cost per unit of energy but energy usage varies during the year and the cost per unit changes twice a year.

Which is going to catch a LOT of people out this winter as gas is 3 times more than it was last winter and people use more gas in winter^

Only if people have wilfully ignored a subject that has had significant media coverage throughout the year and are also unaware that they are more likely to put the heating on in winter.

You can lead a horse to water.......

Are people seriously claiming that they are still in the dark on this? Five minutes on google will give an overview of the scale of the problem and an idea of what to expect from this year's bills compared to last.

They are NOT making BoJo look competent. If I hear or read that remark one more time today, I'll scream.
BoJo was appalling too. A lying, bumbling idiot who also didn't know his arse from his elbow when it came to his own policy.

Exactly. They’re just plumbing unheard of new depths of incompetence.