Another black rapper dead

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When are we going to address the poor life expectancy for black men?

When are we going to address the poor outcomes for black women during childbirth?

What can be done?

Arctic "As for musicians of all colours, when are they going to stop leading lives of sex, drugs and rock n roll?"

you're not serious. Why would they want to? Live and let live.

@Paigeycakey - there isn't a 'black culture.' There are many different cultures that make up black people, some where smoking weed might be the norm, some where smoking weed (and maybe drinking alcohol) are frowned upon.
Same as white cultures!

I genuinely never get where the ‘people don’t bat an eyelid’ comes from.

No one I know drinks every night, never mind a bottle of wine. If someone at work mentioned they drank a bottle of wine a night, everyone on my teams would be shocked.

I can’t think of anyone in my personal life that would think that was normal either.

These are all people who have experienced drug abuse over the years, they were hardly going to live to 90!

@PaperPalace there was a documentary on TV last year about how black women are statistically more likely to die in child birth than white women (in the UK). For social reasons, they are dismissed more, was a very difficult watch. this is the biggest problem for me. Pop stars, rock stars, rappers seem to have a lower life expectancy across the western world generally, but we know that lifestyle factors play a huge part. Sad, because my favourites have all died prematurely.

@lannistunut I'm not sure I understand your point? Black life expectancy in the UK is higher than for whites overall. This is probably due to a variety of reasons.

The issue of poor outcomes for black women in childbirth is an appalling one, it needs addressing sharpish. There will also be a knock on consequence of improved care for everyone, across medicine as a result- men and women of all ethnicities will benefit from improved care.

To conflate that clear inequity with early death of American rappers does no one any favours. It weakens the case. It's a very different issue, to do with culture, social deprivation, opportunity... and not necessarily structural racism.

God it's hard on here sometimes. Have a think about your first sentence again.

@owen82 I have heard that and I agree that does need to be looked in to.

The early deaths of rappers who made poor lifestyle choices with their money is not really as much of a concern to me, but the poor outcomes and high mortality rates of BAME women in childbirth needs to be much more of a priority. It’s 2022 not 1822. There needs to be more funding for more midwives. More training to address inherent cultural bias for existing midwives. More effort put into recruiting BAME midwives. More outreach to minority communities to promote midwifery and obstetrics as a career choice. Better access to translators for antenatal appointments.

It's an impossible subject to discuss properly without causing offence, but a lot of the issues around life expectancy in certain groups begin with the behaviour within those groups. The communities themselves have more power to do "something" than anyone else does, especially in communities where any official intervention is viewed with suspicion.

It's tragic that Coolio died so young, but not unexpected bearing in mind what we know of his lifestyle.

The naivety and unconscious (I hope) racism on this thread is horrific.
With regards to these men being "wealthy" - I doubt most of the men on this list actually were, perhaps with the exception of DMX. Most of these men had deprived childhoods and all grew up experiencing structural racism in America. You can't look at what happened to them and just blame poor lifestyle choices - it's no where near as simple as that.

Although @CarrieCrow you're just a racist. Your comment on this thread is vile.

If you don't like hearing that the English diaspora reconsider repatriation cos of the groomer gangs and "non criminal hate incidents", then you're a delusional idiot. The world hears every time, and it's shameful.

That's just a short random list of celebrities.

Life expectancy is lower for white men than black men in this country. Black African women live the longest of anyone. Does that need addressing?

You said yourself you are unaware. Just because you seem oblivious* *tothe issues around alcohol in UK and British people doesn't mean its not true.

I hadn't heard about Coolio, how sad.

The talk of grooming gangs is very offensive and is in no way connected to this thread.

How anyone can compare a discussion about black men dying early and Asian male peados is completely wrong and racist.

What are you on about? You’re not making a whole lot of sense - and since you didn’t even take time to glance at the screenshot in the OP I suspect you are only here because you have an agenda

Not sure about the rest. But all of these men (from a quick Google) had a net worth of over 1 million. Most more than that.

So yes, discussing these mens deaths and finding a solution to make rich Black rappers live longer, would not impact the vast majority of black men in the US.

Growing up in poverty, obviously impacts outcomes. But remaining in poverty also has a huge impact on outcomes. Therefore if the discussion is about the life expectancy of black men in the US in general, that list has little to know relevance.

That is what I was asking - as that paper only refers to selected causes, not all causes, so I was asking about all causes.

You could say the same about movie stars. Off the top of my head River Phoenix, Heath Ledger, Corey Haim, Brittany Murphy, Aaliyah, Anton Yelchin, Paul Walker, Tupac, Jonathan Brandis, Chad Boseman. It wasn’t one singular thing that caused any of those deaths, I just think in some cases fame can be a dangerous thing if you haven’t got someone who cares about you for you, and not for your money. And then some of those deaths are just senseless tragedies, Anton Yelchin and Brittany Murphy in particular.

But yes, I agree, the death rate of black women in maternity settings does need urgent intervention.