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Please share your favourite conspiracy theories.

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KitchiHuritAngeni · 28/09/2022 18:12

I home school my two teens.

Every couple of weeks I give them a conspiracy theory to look up, write a bit about, and give me their opinion on, and reasons for that opinion. It helps them with research and critical thinking (I hope).

I've done a lot of the obvious ones, New world order, 9/11, JFK assassination, some of the denial ones in WW2 etc.

I'm running out of ideas for other ones, preferably that incorporate history, geography etc, or just ones that are a bit out there or interesting.

TIA Flowers

OP posts:
Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:24

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:20

Did I say that? No.

Do I think that? No.

I said very clearly that there is absolutely zero value in bombarding young children with endless examples of the sort of post-truth, garbled, racist, ignorant bullshit that are politely called 'conspiracy theories'.

Sure - introduce them to the concept that there are some people who, either through stupidity, boredom, ignorance, lack of education, prejudice and bigotry, a lack of ability to assess the truth or reliability of sources, liking to make up bollocks for fun, or some combination of the above, like to tell lies about things that happened: in many cases lies which cause huge distress and upset to the people who were personally affected by the original incidents.

Introduce them to the people who tell the families bereaved by 9/11, the Holocaust, the Sandy Hook massacre, etc. that they're lying, that they didn't really lose loved ones. Talk with them about why anyone would spread such appalling lies, and what their agenda is.

Collecting as many examples as possible in order to encourage the liars - I mean 'conspiracy theorists' - to disseminate them further, and giving your children such poor boundaries, guidance and teaching that you tell them to 'make their own minds up' about something like that? Nah. Something is seriously wrong with that.

What about e.g. Secret military programs that have since been proven
operation paperclip
The development of the atomic weapons
operation mincemeat
cia bay of pigs,

all examples of what would of been classed as conspiracy theories at the time in history when they took place, not to mention all the clandestine activities of Fbi, I Edgar Hoover.

should people just believe the main steam media whole heartedly ?

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:26

Sometimes these disasters happen, but the actual perpetrators can be altered or changed for one reason or another. We all see James bond, spooks, alias, covert affairs, the unit, ect fictional examples but how many case studies are their in the intelligence services archieves that would prove my perspectives

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:28

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:24

What about e.g. Secret military programs that have since been proven
operation paperclip
The development of the atomic weapons
operation mincemeat
cia bay of pigs,

all examples of what would of been classed as conspiracy theories at the time in history when they took place, not to mention all the clandestine activities of Fbi, I Edgar Hoover.

should people just believe the main steam media whole heartedly ?

I don't think you understand the difference between classified information and conspiracy theories.

Furthermore, I think you are missing the main point, which is that giving children a mass of misinformation and sending them off to 'make up their own minds' is not education. Children and young people need proper guidance and teaching, because it's difficult enough even for adults to wade through the bullshit.

Whether or not the Holocaust happened, whether or not 6 and 7-year-olds were shot dead at Sandy Hook, is not open for debate and nor should we be telling people that all opinions on this are equally valid. They are not.

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:31

The OP wrote:

I heard the 'real' Elvis was a homeless man who died fairly recently, and something about they spelled his middle name wrong on the original death certificate, this proving he wasn't actually dead and was, in fact, homeless for the last few decades. Thanks everyone, I'm looking at them all, these are amazing.

The later stuff s/he posted about how this was all being done in the interests of 'critical thinking' is patent bollocks. This is someone who thinks the 'theory' that Elvis was in fact a homeless man is 'amazing' and worth looking at. This is someone apparently teaching two young women to think critically. Fuck me.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:32

With certain events historical research can center on not weather the event happened but more the mechanics of how it happened, weather the numbers of victims ect are accurate, why do we need laws that state certain topics are not allowed to be researched, when it's a part of history, surly if events happened as the official perspectives suggests then the historical context and sources would be their to show those events happened

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:33

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:32

With certain events historical research can center on not weather the event happened but more the mechanics of how it happened, weather the numbers of victims ect are accurate, why do we need laws that state certain topics are not allowed to be researched, when it's a part of history, surly if events happened as the official perspectives suggests then the historical context and sources would be their to show those events happened

I'm not sure what you mean about 'laws that state certain topics are not allowed to be researched': could you clarify what you mean by this please?

Could you also clarify what you mean about 'weather [sic] the numbers of victims ect [sic] are accurate'?

Thanks.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:34
  • a project can be classified but if a member or e.g. A general leaked information about the projects taking place then, they would be described as a conspiracy theories, it's because some theories in history have been proved true that is one of the reasons why people don't always trust the media, ect
Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:38

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:33

I'm not sure what you mean about 'laws that state certain topics are not allowed to be researched': could you clarify what you mean by this please?

Could you also clarify what you mean about 'weather [sic] the numbers of victims ect [sic] are accurate'?

Thanks.

When wars have happened certain countries have enacted laws that attempt to limit research into that period or events, and including research on how many victims ect their were,

I can understand the sensitivity around the events,

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:40

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:38

When wars have happened certain countries have enacted laws that attempt to limit research into that period or events, and including research on how many victims ect their were,

I can understand the sensitivity around the events,

I'm sorry but you're still being extremely vague and non-specific.

What countries have enacted laws that limit research?

Into what period?

What events?

Victims of what?

Please can you be specific - thanks.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:42

The truth is out there, Mr Mulder,

you have Google, you can research and draw your own perspectives and analysis.

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:44

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:42

The truth is out there, Mr Mulder,

you have Google, you can research and draw your own perspectives and analysis.

OK, I'm not interacting with you any more as you are clearly just talking balls. If you have something to say, I suggest you say it, rather than garbling quotes from 30-year-old TV shows and hinting vaguely at things without actually saying them.

Your posts are a great example of the points I was making earlier, though, so thanks for that.

elm26 · 29/09/2022 17:47

I think the attack on the OP is completely unnecessary @BloodAndFire

I left school 15 years ago and I can still remember a couple of our projects based on conspiracy theories and we had to research, look at evidence, statements etc and come to our own conclusion.

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:51

elm26 · 29/09/2022 17:47

I think the attack on the OP is completely unnecessary @BloodAndFire

I left school 15 years ago and I can still remember a couple of our projects based on conspiracy theories and we had to research, look at evidence, statements etc and come to our own conclusion.

That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

If you read the exchange with 'Hawkins' above your post, you'll see exactly what conspiracy theorists are really all about.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:53

elm26 · 29/09/2022 17:47

I think the attack on the OP is completely unnecessary @BloodAndFire

I left school 15 years ago and I can still remember a couple of our projects based on conspiracy theories and we had to research, look at evidence, statements etc and come to our own conclusion.

That's what I was trying to suggest with my vagueness, yes I can say x,y,z but then how is that any different than the main stream media just saying what they want use to know.

If you really want to learn and become knowledgeable about different aspects, is it not better to research yourself, the same when studying e.g. A degree, you look at the source materials ect and draw up an analysis based on your research objectives.

that's the philosophy I was trying to advocate, not debating specific points just to be debunked.

BMW6 · 29/09/2022 17:56

I think it's an excellent way of teaching children to do their own research and draw conclusions based on logic.

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:58

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:53

That's what I was trying to suggest with my vagueness, yes I can say x,y,z but then how is that any different than the main stream media just saying what they want use to know.

If you really want to learn and become knowledgeable about different aspects, is it not better to research yourself, the same when studying e.g. A degree, you look at the source materials ect and draw up an analysis based on your research objectives.

that's the philosophy I was trying to advocate, not debating specific points just to be debunked.

No, that's not remotely what you said.

You said 'countries' had 'enacted laws' making it illegal to study 'events' and to question 'number of victims ect [sic]'

When asked to specify the countries, the laws, the events, and the victims in question, you posted a random quote from an old TV programme instead.

It's almost as if you were just making up a load of shit.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:59

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:58

No, that's not remotely what you said.

You said 'countries' had 'enacted laws' making it illegal to study 'events' and to question 'number of victims ect [sic]'

When asked to specify the countries, the laws, the events, and the victims in question, you posted a random quote from an old TV programme instead.

It's almost as if you were just making up a load of shit.

Yes because some have, but instead of taking my word for it, then if you research those points, you'll either have confined my theories.

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:59

BMW6 · 29/09/2022 17:56

I think it's an excellent way of teaching children to do their own research and draw conclusions based on logic.

So you think the 'research' that children can do is better than the research done by scientists, historians, mathematicians, geographers, palaeontologists, etc.?

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 18:00

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 17:59

Yes because some have, but instead of taking my word for it, then if you research those points, you'll either have confined my theories.

That's just word salad now.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 18:01

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 17:59

So you think the 'research' that children can do is better than the research done by scientists, historians, mathematicians, geographers, palaeontologists, etc.?

When you have different agencies, different groups with agendas potentially, pulling strings, how can any official be truly considered to not be biased in one way or another ?

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 18:02

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 18:01

When you have different agencies, different groups with agendas potentially, pulling strings, how can any official be truly considered to not be biased in one way or another ?

You really are a brilliant example of why this isn't the way to educate children.

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 18:06

BloodAndFire · 29/09/2022 18:02

You really are a brilliant example of why this isn't the way to educate children.

What's the alternative, everyone believe the government always is honest, and trustworthy, ect, that no companies have been proven to be giving kickbacks for officials to advocate their products ect ?

Teenyliving · 29/09/2022 18:07

It’s not quite way out - but I think the post office scandal is a brilliant example of how conspiracy type thinking can actually happen in mainstream organisations - to devastating result

it might be a good Segway at the end of looking at consiparacies

Hawkins001 · 29/09/2022 18:08

Yes I'm strange, im odd and the point is what ? The best way to study information sources, is follow the research methods that are taught in university then apply those methods to what ever research topic you want to research,

somanybooks · 29/09/2022 18:12

BloodAndFire you really are coming across as vexatious and lacking in the critical thinking skills OP is using conspiracy theories to teach.

OP my favourite conspiracy theory, that a little bit of me really hopes is/was true, is the multiple Melanias one from when Trump was President. Hilarious.
(Note to BloodAndFire that enjoying the existence of this conspiracy theory and posting about it does not mean I actually believe it, as I suspect is also the case for nearly every poster in this thread).